Rants
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@g.jacobse said:
@Dashrender said:
Hold on.. are you saying the calendar wasn't in the PST?
Seemingly not. Which is why so much irritation regarding the matter. It's not rocket science.. It's just a D*^@M .PST file. how difficult is that,.. especially when you not only export it, but copy the whole folder offline.
I'm still searching for it. I don't have the original system since it was a suspected rootkit / zombie / malware / IDKoC system. I backed up the 'normal file locations' and nuked it - partition table and all... Only thing I didn't do was a DoD level wipe.
What are you using for email that doesn't have a calendar function built into it? It was a local calendar?!
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@ajstringham said:
@g.jacobse said:
@Dashrender said:
Hold on.. are you saying the calendar wasn't in the PST?
Seemingly not. Which is why so much irritation regarding the matter. It's not rocket science.. It's just a D*^@M .PST file. how difficult is that,.. especially when you not only export it, but copy the whole folder offline.
I'm still searching for it. I don't have the original system since it was a suspected rootkit / zombie / malware / IDKoC system. I backed up the 'normal file locations' and nuked it - partition table and all... Only thing I didn't do was a DoD level wipe.
What are you using for email that doesn't have a calendar function built into it? It was a local calendar?!
Yes - I am still in the process of migrating from POP/IMAP email. Only a few people used (Outlook) Calendars, which was in local PST files. Once I get things imported into O365 it won't be much of an issue. But It's a long row to hoe when you have 160 people in 9 counties and '6' dozen offices. The O365 migration script is running and pulling mail from the host, but of course, Calendars are on a POP host.... But it's getting there.
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What email other than Exchange email has an included calendar function?
IMAP and POP3 definitely don't have calendars as part of the protocol.
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Google has it included, and they use IMAP, or optionally POP. Granted, I know an @gmail address isn't for business but maybe it was Google Apps or something.
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I know google has a calendar, sure, so do a lot of webmail solutions, but you can't sync that calendar using POP3 or IMAP, you have to use another sync mechanism.
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@Dashrender said:
I know google has a calendar, sure, so do a lot of webmail solutions, but you can't sync that calendar using POP3 or IMAP, you have to use another sync mechanism.
Ah, ok. I see what you mean. That is true.
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@Dashrender said:
Yep - sadly it's nearly daily.
I know that people who aren't tech heads can't/won't/probably shouldn't be expected to - but, DAMN how are people employeed in jobs that require the use of the web and a Windows computer and they can't figure out how to change a user to login as themselves, or when the homepage of the browser isn't a search engine - they lose their mind saying "I don't know how to get to google"
Speaking "people employed in jobs for a year"
almost everyday our drama at work like this.
take note all of these people are SENIOR most of them 2 to 14 years been working here so lets call them
User1: I need to zipped files blah blah..can you help me to do it faster?
User2: (Sent Skype message in group chat ) " Do we have internet connection?
User3: Can you give me a better internet connection?
User4: Can you login my skype account?
User5: Can you scan and print my report,etc, time in motion blahh blah..
User6: Can you assist me to change my user password?
User7: Just stay here for a bit,if your here everything works fineYes Job security lols
Happy Weekend..
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@Dashrender IMAP can sync calendars. POP3 can't though. Well not officially but I know I've see some custom solutions do it since IMAP supports folders it can make another folder with emails for each event that is hidden to the user. It's probably poor sync quality though.
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@ajstringham said:
Google has it included, and they use IMAP, or optionally POP. Granted, I know an @gmail address isn't for business but maybe it was Google Apps or something.
Google using IMAP is like saying that Exchange uses IMAP. All commercial email solutions use IMAP, it is the lowest common denominator for serious email. Whether you use the top end commercial email systems, hosted, on premise, open source, proprietary, doesn't matter. IMAP is ubiquitous. Even the rock bottom bare systems with no interface (Sendmail + Cyrus) provide IMAP.
What makes Google and Exchange special is that IMAP is a fallback, not their primary mechanism. Even Zimbra doesn't use it as the primary. Nor does Rackspace (they use ActiveSync.)
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@scottalanmiller Same with Zoho Email it uses ActiveSync as well.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller Same with Zoho Email it uses ActiveSync as well.
That's becoming pretty standard these days. So many services uses it for the clients, like Outlook.
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I didn't know that Google used ActiveSync.
As for Rackspace using it - yeah they do, but they charge you for that type of access, it's not in their baseline package.
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@Dashrender It's in their baseline for Exchange ;). Rackspace email is good if you have managment that needs exchange and a bunch of workers that just need pop/imap or web mail as you can save money with their hybrid system.
Rackspace is generally one of the more expensive hosts for most things though.
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@Dashrender said:
I didn't know that Google used ActiveSync.
As for Rackspace using it - yeah they do, but they charge you for that type of access, it's not in their baseline package.
True but it is super cheap.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I didn't know that Google used ActiveSync.
As for Rackspace using it - yeah they do, but they charge you for that type of access, it's not in their baseline package.
True but it is super cheap.
Yeah, it's $2/month vs. $1/month. Not exactly breaking the bank.
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That is a 100% increase though. Double the cost of the service per user.
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Double the cost is definitely significant.
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@JaredBusch said:
That is a 100% increase though. Double the cost of the service per user.
Yes, but not all users need ActiveSync. Usually only managers and above, and users that travel. So you can say that 60-70% of most people in a business don't need it. That'd be a pretty fair statement.
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That's true, it's case by case. And the $1 price is just SW / ML pricing. Normal customers are $2. So the ActiveSync is only a 50% premium in those cases.
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Rant Part Two:
When I started this new job, I knew we had 8or 9 servers (only 1 real server); almost 300 users across more than 9 counties. I had an office with a window and a storage room.
I was moved to a different office but kept my storage room... until they needed it for two new employees,.. so my office got some, and..what do you mean there is more computer stuff in the next room....
So much of the main crap went into the other room and part in my office...
Now - I've lost my limited about of storage to Fiscal files. The bulk of it is now under my desk, stacked to the ceiling.
If I should stop contributing - you might call the office to see if I've been crushed by it all... What's the line from 'Major Tom'?
"Tell my wife I love her,...."
