What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?
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Pointing out important facts isn't bias. But your post is clearly emotional response to basic info.
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@JaredBusch said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@scottalanmiller said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@art_of_shred said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
I spent about 3 years doing installs for Unitrends, so I saw the internal workings of a few hundred SMB businesses over that time. We're not talking Fortune 100 companies, but many businesses with multiple locations, schools, municipalities, and some in Canada and the UK. Of those varied businesses/entities, I would be making a large stretch to estimate that even 10% of all of the servers I saw were non-MS. It was probably between 5 and 10%, closer to 5%. Maybe 1% AIX. I saw a small handful of Groupwise, and a slight bit more Novell Netware. Ubuntu was more popular than RHEL. Mac was virtually non-existent. In fact, I think one company wanted to protect about 25 workstations (not the norm in any way, but we're talking about Mac-user types...), and I don't think I touched more than 3 Macs outside of that in 3 years.
Although that also limits you to specifically seeing Unitrends customers - a product that specifically targets the Windows space. So it's not an even cross section.
Cross-section is irrelevant. The question was what is the percent windows for wherever you are wherever you've seen. You can push your agenda and think that oh my gosh all these other places are not windows but you're not there you're making assumptions based on your own biases
As I specifically noted that it was related to Unitrends, and was primarily SMB, that shows that I defined the space I was describing and didn't just say "companies everywhere".
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@art_of_shred said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@JaredBusch said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@scottalanmiller said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@art_of_shred said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
I spent about 3 years doing installs for Unitrends, so I saw the internal workings of a few hundred SMB businesses over that time. We're not talking Fortune 100 companies, but many businesses with multiple locations, schools, municipalities, and some in Canada and the UK. Of those varied businesses/entities, I would be making a large stretch to estimate that even 10% of all of the servers I saw were non-MS. It was probably between 5 and 10%, closer to 5%. Maybe 1% AIX. I saw a small handful of Groupwise, and a slight bit more Novell Netware. Ubuntu was more popular than RHEL. Mac was virtually non-existent. In fact, I think one company wanted to protect about 25 workstations (not the norm in any way, but we're talking about Mac-user types...), and I don't think I touched more than 3 Macs outside of that in 3 years.
Although that also limits you to specifically seeing Unitrends customers - a product that specifically targets the Windows space. So it's not an even cross section.
Cross-section is irrelevant. The question was what is the percent windows for wherever you are wherever you've seen. You can push your agenda and think that oh my gosh all these other places are not windows but you're not there you're making assumptions based on your own biases
As I specifically noted that it was related to Unitrends, and was primarily SMB, that shows that I defined the space I was describing and didn't just say "companies everywhere".
But people who are not Unitrends installers might not understand that the product specifically targets a windows environments and that it is a Linux install. Your wording didn't tell anything important unless you are a Unitrends expert.
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I don't consider appliances part of the list this question is about. It's not like you have a choice what OS is on your appliance in most cases.
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@Dashrender said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
I don't consider appliances part of the list this question is about. It's not like you have a choice what OS is on your appliance in most cases.
Valid. But it's also very skewing. Nearly all appliances are Linux. And SMBs use a lot of appliances. And does FreeNAS count or not?
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Appliances are not servers. They are appliances specifically so you don't have to f***[moderated] with the 'server'.
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What about an appliance makes it not count? Is it the GUI?
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@JaredBusch said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
Appliances are not servers. They are appliances specifically so you don't have to f***[moderated] with the 'server'.
What makes them not servers?
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So is FreeNAS a server or an appliance? What's the reasoning either way?
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@scottalanmiller said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@Dashrender said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
I don't consider appliances part of the list this question is about. It's not like you have a choice what OS is on your appliance in most cases.
Valid. But it's also very skewing. Nearly all appliances are Linux. And SMBs use a lot of appliances. And does FreeNAS count or not?
No, it doesn't count, just like the hypervisor doesn't count.
Now, if they are doing more than just storage on the FreeNAS box, then it does, but if storage only.. nope. They are using FreeNAS because it's an appliance - you know this. Because if they knew how to manage nix natively, they would never bother with FreeNAS in the first place, as you have pointed out countless times in the past.
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@Dashrender even if you are doing more it is still appliance. It is 'FreeNAS' not some Linux district. No different than Buffalo or Synology.
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@Dashrender said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@scottalanmiller said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@Dashrender said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
I don't consider appliances part of the list this question is about. It's not like you have a choice what OS is on your appliance in most cases.
Valid. But it's also very skewing. Nearly all appliances are Linux. And SMBs use a lot of appliances. And does FreeNAS count or not?
No, it doesn't count, just like the hypervisor doesn't count.
Now, if they are doing more than just storage on the FreeNAS box, then it does, but if storage only.. nope. They are using FreeNAS because it's an appliance - you know this. Because if they knew how to manage nix natively, they would never bother with FreeNAS in the first place, as you have pointed out countless times in the past.
Then define to me what makes it not count. Start there rather than it just doesn't count because you don't want it to.
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@JaredBusch said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@Dashrender even if you are doing more it is still appliance. It is 'FreeNAS' not some Linux district. No different than Buffalo or Synology.
Okay. So what aspect of it makes it that to you?
It's not Linux.
It's just Unix with a purposeful GUI.
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@Dashrender said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@scottalanmiller said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
@Dashrender said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
I don't consider appliances part of the list this question is about. It's not like you have a choice what OS is on your appliance in most cases.
Valid. But it's also very skewing. Nearly all appliances are Linux. And SMBs use a lot of appliances. And does FreeNAS count or not?
No, it doesn't count, just like the hypervisor doesn't count.
Now, if they are doing more than just storage on the FreeNAS box, then it does, but if storage only.. nope. They are using FreeNAS because it's an appliance - you know this. Because if they knew how to manage nix natively, they would never bother with FreeNAS in the first place, as you have pointed out countless times in the past.
So any Windows used for only one purpose does not count? It's single use that defines it?
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Someone give a definition that doesn't involve "things I don't want to count are appliances". A real definition that we can use to define what counts and what does not. Because appliances are just servers without some clear definition to the contrary.
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Scott, if you cannot see that you are pushing an agenda when it is specifically pointed out multiple times over multiple days, I am done.
@Minion-Queen contact me outside chat here because it sucks on iPhone.
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@JaredBusch said in What percentage of servers in your organization are Microsoft?:
Scott, if you cannot see that you are pushing an agenda when it is specifically pointed out multiple times over multiple days, I am done.
@Minion-Queen contact me outside chat here because it sucks on iPhone.
I can't. But I can see that you are. You will say anything to push an agenda. I'm asking for why you won't accept anything that doesn't support your own desires. You lie about what I say. I ask you to support it and you ignore it. Then you push your pro-Windows here and all I ask for is your definition and clearly you have nine. If it doesn't support your view, it's "bias".
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I see that "asking you to support what you say" is pushing my agenda. Looks like my agenda is honesty and that doesn't jive here.
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Notice that you'd rather quit posting than show what you are trying to push here.
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Can't really give a definition but I can give an example.
If I purchase a product from a company, such as Brocade's ClickShare, and it is built to do one thing, then it is an appliance. Does it run on some modified form of *nix? Sure, but it is built to suite. Synology is really difficult to define as it can do multiple things such as storage and file sharing, and DHCP and now domain controlling, etc.
If I can't take a PC, install my OS of choice and my application of choice on it, then it is an appliance.
