Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True
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@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?
We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction. They could easily be in China or Iran making ALL liability go to the customer in the US who is foolish enough to think that they can get away without paying for their Windows licenses. Just like how nComputing used to make products that were sold on the promise of "bypassing Windows limits" - but left out that it just passed the liability on to the end users.
This is standard stuff in IT. Use software, make sure you know who holds the liability for it. Given what we know about the company, and how liability would pass down to the customer - why would you expect them to get "caught" and what action do you think would be taken? Especially if this is like CloudAtCost, where they very openly made the end customer the one that was going to have to face an audit?
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@DustinB3403 said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?
They aren't big enough to have been found yet, would be my guess.
That or Microsoft is forming a suit against them and collecting as much evidence as possible.
Or they pass the EULA to the customers, like CloudAtCost. Standard practice. They install YOUR license for you. Don't have one? That's your problem.
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@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@DustinB3403 for 7 years? o_0
Where do you see that they've been pirating Windows for seven years? I only see them existing as a company for that long. And even that is questionable, that's just in the "about us" bit of their page. Look at their parent company.
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@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?
We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction.
It's Canada.
How do you know? We talked in the other thread about how that information wasn't available. They don't tell anything about their company anywhere.
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@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@scottalanmiller Web Hosting Talk, and LowEndBox Topics.
They talk about the Windows slices there, going back to 2010?
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The site says that the server licensing is included for free for server 2008R2 and server 2012R2.
For only $3.50 a month? How?
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@scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?
We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction.
It's Canada.
How do you know?
He's assuming because the site is frantech.ca (which is canada). But the FBI can certainly reach canadian webmasters
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@DustinB3403 said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
The site says that the server licensing is included for free for server 2008R2 and server 2012R2.
For only $3.50 a month? How?
$25/year. Even less. That's just over $2/mo for a product that costs something around $8/mo to license. That means that every VPS is a $6/mo donation IF the base VPS was zero cost, which isn't even remotely true.
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@DustinB3403 said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@scottalanmiller said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
@aaronstuder said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
So how does a company pirate Windows, even openly advertise it, and never get caught?
We already discussed that. There is no company info so we don't know their jurisdiction.
It's Canada.
How do you know?
He's assuming because the site is frantech.ca (which is canada). But the FBI can certainly reach canadian webmasters
We covered already that the site was there but that we don't know where the company is registered. There is only one employee (according to the site) and he could be hiding anywhere.
I mean it might be legit and we could be just missing something huge. But absolutely nothing makes that seem likely. One person, too good to be true pricing, zero contact details, no way to find the company, no jurisdiction listed, nothing. And the company website is... essentially blank.
If BuyVM has info as to why they are able to be so impossibly cheap, at a fraction of the cost of what they are giving away, hey awesome they are free to post here. We'd email them but, you know, they don't have email.
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Their Facebook page says that they are an ISP in California, rather than Canada. A bit confusing, maybe they don't know how the .ca domain works?
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I think we should just enjoy this windfall and all move our systems to BuyVM.
At only $3.50 a month we can't afford not to....
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I'm thinking maybe some kind of fly-by-night scam shell that is trying to lure those who don't know IT to take their money and close up shop.
Why would somebody advertise protection against Godzilla? That is just bad marketing.
Geographically safe of earthquakes and floods. -This is just tempting God too much.
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@NerdyDad said in Is BuyVM Pricing Too Good To Be True:
I'm thinking maybe some kind of fly-by-night scam shell that is trying to lure those who don't know IT to take their money and close up shop.
Cant quite be fly by night, their social media is way too active for way too long for that. That Cloud@Cost pulled this same stunt and did it by passing all liability onto the customer makes it hit home way too much that that is just too easy to do.
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https://mangolassi.it/topic/4842/why-you-cannot-effectively-run-windows-on-cloudatcost
It's not exactly the same, but worth pointing out that we are going back over known ground here.
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Obviously they could do things like get HUGE procs, license by proc, limit WIndows users to Windows hosts.... but I just don't see the math working out. At a quarter core per VM, you just can't get enough VMs on there.
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Best case, they just aren't making any money and that's scary. You don't want your cloud host up and vanishing overnight. That they are lacking basic corporate info, like jurisdiction and contact info, is super worrisome.
