When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse
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@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
What are the benefits that are so bad? My wife is a college teacher, her benefits are pretty great.
Does she have set hours to be at work? That's pretty huge. IT at a level where they should be able to teach would have essentially unlimited flexibility in their schedules. Be able to work from home, not need to take sick days when sick, get loads of vacation (that they can take at good times when school is in session), and so forth. No college professor I've known gets those things. They tend to have inflexible hours, inflexible work locations and only get vacations when "laid off" during the worst possible times so that the entire concept of vacation is a very, very different thing making travel essentially useless.
The timing of teacher's vacations needs to be considered in their pay. For example, my SIL is a teacher and for her to go to Italy is about $2,000. For me it is $200, because anytime she can travel, the costs are a premium.
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@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@coliver said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
What are the benefits that are so bad? My wife is a college teacher, her benefits are pretty great.
When talking about IT the pay and benefits are generally terrible compared to what someone could be making in the private sector. Your wife may be in an area where private and public sectors pay similarly.
I was only asking about the benefits... pay and benefits were split out.. so sure, I know the pay can be vastly different from the private sector, but I was wondering about the non pay benefits.....
What good benefits does she get?
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In comes the internship. If employers see that college grads are asking for salaries that don't offer a value to the business, they will hire high school students and teach them themselves.
If you’re afraid of getting a rotten apple, don’t go to the barrel. Get it off the tree.
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@Mike-Davis said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
In comes the internship. If employers see that college grads are asking for salaries that don't offer a value to the business, they will hire high school students and teach them themselves.
If you’re afraid of getting a rotten apple, don’t go to the barrel. Get it off the tree.
Internships fail from the same problems, though. As the senior people in the field get busier and busier, the opportunities for internships get less and less. Internships only work when there are plenty of idle resources to handle them.
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@Mike-Davis said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
In comes the internship. If employers see that college grads are asking for salaries that don't offer a value to the business, they will hire high school students and teach them themselves.
If you’re afraid of getting a rotten apple, don’t go to the barrel. Get it off the tree.
We talked about internship value in a different thread. It works for some people and not others... really depends on the organization.
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@scottalanmiller for anyone that spends a good chunk of their day on Spiceworks or MangoLassi educating others, having an intern is not much additional effort.
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@Mike-Davis said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@scottalanmiller for anyone that spends a good chunk of their day on Spiceworks or MangoLassi educating others, having an intern is not much additional effort.
That's not really true. Having an intern does not normally provide peer review and requires a completely different set of "availabilities."
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@scottalanmiller said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@coliver said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
What are the benefits that are so bad? My wife is a college teacher, her benefits are pretty great.
When talking about IT the pay and benefits are generally terrible compared to what someone could be making in the private sector. Your wife may be in an area where private and public sectors pay similarly.
I was only asking about the benefits... pay and benefits were split out.. so sure, I know the pay can be vastly different from the private sector, but I was wondering about the non pay benefits.....
What good benefits does she get?
100% premium coverage on a PPO plan from BCBS, 3-4 weeks time off (assigned time) during school year, plus summers. Retirement plan (I don't know the details, but it's like a 401K)
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@scottalanmiller said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
That's not really true. Having an intern does not normally provide peer review and requires a completely different set of "availabilities."
I understand what you mean by availability in that if you only have an intern for 2 hours a day, they might not be there when you need a password reset done, but what do you mean by "peer review"?
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@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@scottalanmiller said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@coliver said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
What are the benefits that are so bad? My wife is a college teacher, her benefits are pretty great.
When talking about IT the pay and benefits are generally terrible compared to what someone could be making in the private sector. Your wife may be in an area where private and public sectors pay similarly.
I was only asking about the benefits... pay and benefits were split out.. so sure, I know the pay can be vastly different from the private sector, but I was wondering about the non pay benefits.....
What good benefits does she get?
100% premium coverage on a PPO plan from BCBS, 3-4 weeks time off (assigned time) during school year, plus summers. Retirement plan (I don't know the details, but it's like a 401K)
Probably a 403b.
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@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
100% premium coverage on a PPO plan from BCBS, 3-4 weeks time off (assigned time)
Assigned? Do you mean, spring break kind of things?
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@Mike-Davis said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@scottalanmiller said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
That's not really true. Having an intern does not normally provide peer review and requires a completely different set of "availabilities."
I understand what you mean by availability in that if you only have an intern for 2 hours a day, they might not be there when you need a password reset done, but what do you mean by "peer review"?
Yes, or like last night. I put in nearly eight hours on an issue. Posting to ML in between email responses is trivial, I can do it in a second and stop when they are ready for me. An intern would just be ignored every time that the customer had something to be done. So what is really productive for one is useless to the other.
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@scottalanmiller said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
@Dashrender said in When We Start to Eat the Teachers: Millerian Societal Collapse:
100% premium coverage on a PPO plan from BCBS, 3-4 weeks time off (assigned time)
Assigned? Do you mean, spring break kind of things?
Her college is quarter based. There are three quarters during the 'normal' school year, and a fourth in the summer. There is a 5-10 day break between each quarter, plus winter break (xmas/new years).
