Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act
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Who owns it?
In the case of your Boogerman game, what is your desire? To rip the ROM and play it on an emulator? -
To be able to play it at all. Why enforce it if you aren't attempting to monetize it? There are games you can't find anymore.
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
To be able to play it at all. Why enforce it if you aren't attempting to monetize it? There are games you can't find anymore.
Enforce what?
While the law is still valid for companies that go out of business, whomever still holds the patient/copyright on the thing still has rights, normally no one bothers if you crack it because the expense often isn't worth the reward. i.e. if the copyright for Boogerman is held by the ex-owner of the company that made it and you did rip the ROM, then it's very likely they would never come after you.
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Perhaps you're implying that copyright owners should make FOSS anything they no longer care about? But why would they do that? That takes effort on their part, effort that at minimum requires time, and most of us agree that time is not free. So I can see no reason why they would bother.
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I wish they would just release IP they weren't interested in pursuing but it's not likely to happen. They spent money developing the character(s) and the game. Maybe in the future they will do something with it type situation. Look at MODOK. That character was so weird and obscure but he made it into some new shows and a marvel vs capcom video game. If you asked the creators of MODOK if they ever saw that happening they would tell you no way.
It's not like I can just wait until the copyright expires.
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People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
To be able to play it at all. Why enforce it if you aren't attempting to monetize it? There are games you can't find anymore.
Well if you are George Lucas it's because he actually hates his customers and uses his money to keep games that they want out of their hands.
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@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
Yup. You can also find the copyright holder and buy the rights yourself.
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@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
Yeah, if you can find the game you're looking for.
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@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
Yup. You can also find the copyright holder and buy the rights yourself.
It's just not reasonable
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@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
Perhaps you're implying that copyright owners should make FOSS anything they no longer care about? But why would they do that? That takes effort on their part, effort that at minimum requires time, and most of us agree that time is not free. So I can see no reason why they would bother.
That's why passionate people sometimes go and buy the old games. That's how Day of the Tentacle saw the light of day again. Disney bought out Lucas. Then Double Fine bought that one thing from Disney.
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
Yup. You can also find the copyright holder and buy the rights yourself.
It's just not reasonable
Why not?
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I've considered going after some IP that I wanted access to before. It's not a crazy thing to do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
Yup. You can also find the copyright holder and buy the rights yourself.
It's just not reasonable
Why not?
You think attempting to purchase the IP is a reasonable thing to do to play the games you want to play? I'll give you an example. On the Playstation 1 Capcom came out with Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha. All of the non-capcom characters are owned by amiga. The game itself is owned by capcom. You think the process of getting this is not only fiscally viable but also achievable by an average person? Legal costs and everything? Just to play a game? Wat
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@Dashrender said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
People like me who want to do everything legally have no recourse other than just not playing it, which sucks.
well, you do have another - as you said you can buy it for $400.
Yup. You can also find the copyright holder and buy the rights yourself.
It's just not reasonable
Why not?
You think attempting to purchase the IP is a reasonable thing to do to play the games you want to play? I'll give you an example. On the Playstation 1 Capcom came out with Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha. All of the non-capcom characters are owned by amiga. The game itself is owned by capcom. You think the process of getting this is not only fiscally viable but also achievable by an average person? Legal costs and everything? Just to play a game? Wat
If getting the IP is hard at all, you just explained why it's not made free by someone. So you just answered you original question. It's not a reasonable request that you are making.
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Also SF is current IP, not abandoned IP. So you jumped the shark from your original discussion. Get back to Boogerman. How hard might that be?
People do this all the time. It does work when people want to sell.
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@scottalanmiller said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
Also SF is current IP, not abandoned IP. So you jumped the shark from your original discussion. Get back to Boogerman. How hard might that be?
People do this all the time. It does work when people want to sell.
Don't get caught up on boogerman. I was just commenting on the price of a game from my childhood as an example.
The legal fees alone of this process make it unachievable by an every day person.
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
The legal fees alone of this process make it unachievable by an every day person.
What legal fees? There aren't necessarily any. It's a straight purchase.
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@wirestyle22 said in Gaming and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act:
Don't get caught up on boogerman. I was just commenting on the price of a game from my childhood as an example.
But it is a good example. It's not currently in use IP (AFAIK) and it is old and "worthless". That's a useful example. Street Fighter is not, that's obviously not the same problem as that is a current product with current IP that you can buy today. Of course you can't buy that, it would cost millions and millions because you are trying to buy popular, current, valuable IP that makes money right now. That's not part of what we are discussing.
