Ubiquity EULA
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said
Hopefully, so look at the code if you want and see what is collected, rather than what is sent. This isn't closed source, there is no limit to your knowledge of your own security.
It isn't?
"The Ubiquiti Firmware is copyright-protected material under United States and international copyright and other applicable laws. Unauthorized copying, use or modification of ANY PART of this firmware, or violation of the terms of this Agreement, will be prosecuted under the law."
Have you checked their license?
That is FROM the license page.
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said
Hopefully, so look at the code if you want and see what is collected, rather than what is sent. This isn't closed source, there is no limit to your knowledge of your own security.
It isn't?
"The Ubiquiti Firmware is copyright-protected material under United States and international copyright and other applicable laws. Unauthorized copying, use or modification of ANY PART of this firmware, or violation of the terms of this Agreement, will be prosecuted under the law."
Have you checked their license?
That is FROM the license page.
That's the EULA page. EdgeOS is Linux, based on Vyatta. Ubiquiti doesn't own it any more or less than you do. It's GPL. GPL is your guarantee that you have control.
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
Also it says you may NOT
"(d) modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt (i) to defeat, avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or otherwise circumvent any software protection mechanisms in the Ubiquiti Firmware, including without limitation any such mechanism used to restrict or control the functionality of the Ubiquiti Firmware, or (ii) to derive the source code or the underlying ideas, algorithms, structure or organization from the Ubiquiti Firmware (except that the foregoing limitation does not apply to the extent that such activities may not be prohibited under applicable law);"
IF they are running EdgeOS, you own it. You have as much right to say that they can't modify it as they can say that you can't. If there are non-GPL portions, that's different. But the OS on that hardware is not their copyright or their copyleft to make claims against.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said
Hopefully, so look at the code if you want and see what is collected, rather than what is sent. This isn't closed source, there is no limit to your knowledge of your own security.
It isn't?
"The Ubiquiti Firmware is copyright-protected material under United States and international copyright and other applicable laws. Unauthorized copying, use or modification of ANY PART of this firmware, or violation of the terms of this Agreement, will be prosecuted under the law."
Have you checked their license?
That is FROM the license page.
That's the EULA page. EdgeOS is Linux, based on Vyatta. Ubiquiti doesn't own it any more or less than you do. It's GPL. GPL is your guarantee that you have control.
They are talking about their firmware. Those are the licensing terms to use their firmware. Without which you cannot use their products.
What am I missing here?
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said
Hopefully, so look at the code if you want and see what is collected, rather than what is sent. This isn't closed source, there is no limit to your knowledge of your own security.
It isn't?
"The Ubiquiti Firmware is copyright-protected material under United States and international copyright and other applicable laws. Unauthorized copying, use or modification of ANY PART of this firmware, or violation of the terms of this Agreement, will be prosecuted under the law."
Have you checked their license?
That is FROM the license page.
That's the EULA page. EdgeOS is Linux, based on Vyatta. Ubiquiti doesn't own it any more or less than you do. It's GPL. GPL is your guarantee that you have control.
They are talking about their firmware. Those are the licensing terms to use their firmware. Without which you cannot use their products.
What am I missing here?
Are they considering EdgeOS the firmware or the software? Figure that out first. Because the data is sent from EdgeOS, which they cannot make those statements about.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said
Hopefully, so look at the code if you want and see what is collected, rather than what is sent. This isn't closed source, there is no limit to your knowledge of your own security.
It isn't?
"The Ubiquiti Firmware is copyright-protected material under United States and international copyright and other applicable laws. Unauthorized copying, use or modification of ANY PART of this firmware, or violation of the terms of this Agreement, will be prosecuted under the law."
Have you checked their license?
That is FROM the license page.
That's the EULA page. EdgeOS is Linux, based on Vyatta. Ubiquiti doesn't own it any more or less than you do. It's GPL. GPL is your guarantee that you have control.
They are talking about their firmware. Those are the licensing terms to use their firmware. Without which you cannot use their products.
What am I missing here?
Are they considering EdgeOS the firmware or the software? Figure that out first. Because the data is sent from EdgeOS, which they cannot make those statements about.
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
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@Dashrender said
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Yes, why would you assume the "sending data back to UBNT" part is part of GPL?
Sure, maybe it does the transport, but perhaps the other stuff is proprietary.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said
Hopefully, so look at the code if you want and see what is collected, rather than what is sent. This isn't closed source, there is no limit to your knowledge of your own security.
It isn't?
"The Ubiquiti Firmware is copyright-protected material under United States and international copyright and other applicable laws. Unauthorized copying, use or modification of ANY PART of this firmware, or violation of the terms of this Agreement, will be prosecuted under the law."
Have you checked their license?
That is FROM the license page.
That's the EULA page. EdgeOS is Linux, based on Vyatta. Ubiquiti doesn't own it any more or less than you do. It's GPL. GPL is your guarantee that you have control.
They are talking about their firmware. Those are the licensing terms to use their firmware. Without which you cannot use their products.
What am I missing here?
Are they considering EdgeOS the firmware or the software? Figure that out first. Because the data is sent from EdgeOS, which they cannot make those statements about.
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Correct, if the code is closed (very unlikely) then you can just disable it.
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@Dashrender said
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Yes, why would you assume the "sending data back to UBNT" part is part of GPL?
Sure, maybe it does the transport, but perhaps the other stuff is proprietary.
Valid point. But it runs on GPL portions. So if you can't see into it, you can disable it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@Dashrender said
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Yes, why would you assume the "sending data back to UBNT" part is part of GPL?
Sure, maybe it does the transport, but perhaps the other stuff is proprietary.
Valid point. But it runs on GPL portions. So if you can't see into it, you can disable it.
Wouldn't you consider that an
"attempt (i) to defeat, avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or otherwise circumvent any software protection mechanisms in the Ubiquiti Firmware, including without limitation any such mechanism used to restrict or control the functionality of the Ubiquiti Firmware" -
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@Dashrender said
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Yes, why would you assume the "sending data back to UBNT" part is part of GPL?
Sure, maybe it does the transport, but perhaps the other stuff is proprietary.
Valid point. But it runs on GPL portions. So if you can't see into it, you can disable it.
Wouldn't you consider that an
"attempt (i) to defeat, avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or otherwise circumvent any software protection mechanisms in the Ubiquiti Firmware, including without limitation any such mechanism used to restrict or control the functionality of the Ubiquiti Firmware"Like I said, they can't tell you that you can't do this. It's GPL code on there, it's not theirs to dictate. It's yours. The GPL gives you rights.
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@Dashrender said
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Yes, why would you assume the "sending data back to UBNT" part is part of GPL?
Sure, maybe it does the transport, but perhaps the other stuff is proprietary.
Valid point. But it runs on GPL portions. So if you can't see into it, you can disable it.
Wouldn't you consider that an
"attempt (i) to defeat, avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or otherwise circumvent any software protection mechanisms in the Ubiquiti Firmware, including without limitation any such mechanism used to restrict or control the functionality of the Ubiquiti Firmware"Here is the license that supersedes that one for the EdgeOS portions:
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Sections 2 and 9 are very important.
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@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@scottalanmiller said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
@Dashrender said
but they could have non GPL code running on EdgeOS that's doing this portion, then you can't just crack that open, etc.
Yes, why would you assume the "sending data back to UBNT" part is part of GPL?
Sure, maybe it does the transport, but perhaps the other stuff is proprietary.
Valid point. But it runs on GPL portions. So if you can't see into it, you can disable it.
Wouldn't you consider that an
"attempt (i) to defeat, avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or otherwise circumvent any software protection mechanisms in the Ubiquiti Firmware, including without limitation any such mechanism used to restrict or control the functionality of the Ubiquiti Firmware"Like I said, they can't tell you that you can't do this. It's GPL code on there, it's not theirs to dictate. It's yours. The GPL gives you rights.
I agree with this - if the OS on the device is GPL, then anything running on top of it can be killed legally because you are operating that kill command at the GPL level.
NOW - UBNT could setup their software that's doing the routing to die also if you kill the piece that's being used to send data back to UBNT, that's their right.
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Right.
Aren't we talking about software sitting on top of the GPL?
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
Right.
Aren't we talking about software sitting on top of the GPL?
We probably are - so what Scott is saying is correct, you can log into EdgeOS and kill any process you want. But, killing that process could lead to other problems you can't solve because solving them might require you to crack into non GPL'ed software that UBNT is providing.
Only way to know, is to dig. Good luck.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquity EULA:
NOW - UBNT could setup their software that's doing the routing to die also if you kill the piece that's being used to send data back to UBNT, that's their right.
Only if they replaced the routing from Vyatta which would be the only reason to have used it in the first place.
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@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
Right.
Aren't we talking about software sitting on top of the GPL?
Yup, that's the assumption. If so, you have the right to control it.
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@Dashrender said in Ubiquity EULA:
@BRRABill said in Ubiquity EULA:
Right.
Aren't we talking about software sitting on top of the GPL?
We probably are - so what Scott is saying is correct, you can log into EdgeOS and kill any process you want. But, killing that process could lead to other problems you can't solve because solving them might require you to crack into non GPL'ed software that UBNT is providing.
Only way to know, is to dig. Good luck.
That's a wild theory that requires them to have used GPL as a base but removed essentially everything that the GPL provided. It's not realistic. It's all GPL.
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I guess my understanding about the relationship between GPL and the proprietary UBNT software is lacking.
Inform me!
