Cost of Spinning Rust over Time
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Schools too. Thirty years ago half of all middle school students could program. Today maybe 1%.
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@scottalanmiller Yea when I was in school they were phasing it out and you could only learn logo/turtle, by the time I was in high-school it wasn't offered.
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@MattKing said:
@scottalanmiller Yea when I was in school they were phasing it out and you could only learn logo/turtle, by the time I was in high-school it wasn't offered.
When I was in school everyone was interested in it even though I went to country schools that didn't teach any programming. I went to tiny rural schools. My niece goes to a massive Texan school bigger than every county's school in every county that bordered my home county combined (like bigger than every school in six counties put together) and they have, by early high school, not one single kid who has ever learned to program! Not one. We went from one in two to less than one in ten thousand!!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattKing said:
@scottalanmiller Yea when I was in school they were phasing it out and you could only learn logo/turtle, by the time I was in high-school it wasn't offered.
When I was in school everyone was interested in it even though I went to country schools that didn't teach any programming. I went to tiny rural schools. My niece goes to a massive Texan school bigger than every county's school in every county that bordered my home county combined (like bigger than every school in six counties put together) and they have, by early high school, not one single kid who has ever learned to program! Not one. We went from one in two to less than one in ten thousand!!
What about all of these awesome new online places? The ones that promise to give you the skills to make that new ~whatever~ you want? Are those profit-driven just to give the bare minimum to design and debug phone apps?
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@MattKing said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattKing said:
@scottalanmiller Yea when I was in school they were phasing it out and you could only learn logo/turtle, by the time I was in high-school it wasn't offered.
When I was in school everyone was interested in it even though I went to country schools that didn't teach any programming. I went to tiny rural schools. My niece goes to a massive Texan school bigger than every county's school in every county that bordered my home county combined (like bigger than every school in six counties put together) and they have, by early high school, not one single kid who has ever learned to program! Not one. We went from one in two to less than one in ten thousand!!
What about all of these awesome new online places? The ones that promise to give you the skills to make that new ~whatever~ you want? Are those profit-driven just to give the bare minimum to design and debug phone apps?
Those are the worst. Those not only aren't worth the money but often put your resume on a blacklist. They are actively bad for your career rather than being passive like a normal degree. They've become sought after by hiring managers as a way to filter people out.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattKing said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattKing said:
@scottalanmiller Yea when I was in school they were phasing it out and you could only learn logo/turtle, by the time I was in high-school it wasn't offered.
When I was in school everyone was interested in it even though I went to country schools that didn't teach any programming. I went to tiny rural schools. My niece goes to a massive Texan school bigger than every county's school in every county that bordered my home county combined (like bigger than every school in six counties put together) and they have, by early high school, not one single kid who has ever learned to program! Not one. We went from one in two to less than one in ten thousand!!
What about all of these awesome new online places? The ones that promise to give you the skills to make that new ~whatever~ you want? Are those profit-driven just to give the bare minimum to design and debug phone apps?
Those are the worst. Those not only aren't worth the money but often put your resume on a blacklist. They are actively bad for your career rather than being passive like a normal degree. They've become sought after by hiring managers as a way to filter people out.
Hahaha that's actually quite funny, and sad for all of the people that wasted their time.
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Yes. Very sad and a lot of people have done it. People never check about these places before going there.
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I've never heard of a hiring manager blacklisting people just because of some education they did. That sucks.
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@Carnival-Boy I think it's mostly because they're like those online degree-farms for programming/coding.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I've never heard of a hiring manager blacklisting people just because of some education they did. That sucks.
It's that it is a horrific education - one that exists simply for the purpose of "buying" a degree. It's not the education that they are blacklisted for but the way that they tried to get it (or what they are trying to pass off as an education.) There are two concerns. One is "why did they choose that school" - is it because they didn't want the riggers of a normal school or can't handle it? Or is it because they aren't doing proper research first? Neither is a good indicator. Those school cost a lot generally and provide questionable educations - often pretending to be true universities while actually being trade schools or worse, certification boot camps. This marks them as "fake" schools and people who attend them appear to be trying to get an education without going through the real process.
At best, it's just an indication of poor decision making. At worst it is an indication of dishonesty. If someone makes the mistake of going to one of these schools, they can be in the same boat as me and just take their education off of their resume. It only negatively impacts people who try to pass it off as a university education.
