Screenshots of Ubuntu 14.04 Gnome
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Definitely a big step forward.
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I never used it before... but it looks very mac'ish and not in a good way.
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@Dashrender said:
I never used it before... but it looks very mac'ish and not in a good way.
When would Macish be in a good way?
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Ubuntu, like OSX, is about being weird and obtuse - not for productivity for normal people. They share a lot of "design goals". Both lean on marketing rather than functionality.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Ubuntu, like OSX, is about being weird and obtuse - not for productivity for normal people. They share a lot of "design goals". Both lean on marketing rather than functionality.
I would have to disagree with your use of the words "normal people". It's very much focused on gaming and such, but it has taken a huge lead in novice Linux users. They have their claws dug in there, although it may not be a huge portion of users, its still there for the novice.
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@RAM. The average user, meaning normal people. Ubuntu's crazy interface is a top contributor to Linux losing desktop mindshare and the notion that Linux is hard.
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Taking a lead in novice users is a function of marketing, not ease of use. By definition a novice user is the category least likely to understand the options out there and the most susceptible to "easy to use for beginners marketing.
The exact same tricks that Apple pulls for Mac. Tell people it is designed for newbies and newbies believe you and never experiment to see if it is true.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Taking a lead in novice users is a function of marketing, not ease of use. By definition a novice user is the category least likely to understand the options out there and the most susceptible to "easy to use for beginners marketing.
The exact same tricks that Apple pulls for Mac. Tell people it is designed for newbies and newbies believe you and never experiment to see if it is true.
Of all the X interfaces unity, despite the fact I'm not a fan, is the least difficult to learn though. KDE and GNOME have a few things that are a little more... should I say technical? You'll have to adapt with all of them, but Unity is pretty simple and easy to use.. All in all, placing a Ubuntu desktop in front of my grandma and explaining to her over the next 10 minutes how to send email, would be much easier than teaching her KDE, GNOME, or any other DE out there.
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I will give you it looks scary and intimidating to start, but once you sit in the drivers seat its really quite reliable.
I wouldn't consider myself a newb anymore and prefer to futz with KDE or GNOME, but it'll come in time :-P.
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Glad to see a return of classic Gnome. Amazing some of the parallels that Ubuntu and Windows have had with UI's and user base backlash over these last couple of years.
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@RAM. said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Taking a lead in novice users is a function of marketing, not ease of use. By definition a novice user is the category least likely to understand the options out there and the most susceptible to "easy to use for beginners marketing.
The exact same tricks that Apple pulls for Mac. Tell people it is designed for newbies and newbies believe you and never experiment to see if it is true.
Of all the X interfaces unity, despite the fact I'm not a fan, is the least difficult to learn though. KDE and GNOME have a few things that are a little more... should I say technical? You'll have to adapt with all of them, but Unity is pretty simple and easy to use.. All in all, placing a Ubuntu desktop in front of my grandma and explaining to her over the next 10 minutes how to send email, would be much easier than teaching her KDE, GNOME, or any other DE out there.
None of those are the user friendly ones. You are only looking at the entrenched Unix user ones, not ones for ordinary users. Look at lxde, mate and cinnamon.
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@RAM. said:
I will give you it looks scary and intimidating to start, but once you sit in the drivers seat its really quite reliable.
I wouldn't consider myself a newb anymore and prefer to futz with KDE or GNOME, but it'll come in time :-P.
Reliable sure. Useful... Not so much.
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@Bill-Kindle said:
Glad to see a return of classic Gnome. Amazing some of the parallels that Ubuntu and Windows have had with UI's and user base backlash over these last couple of years.
Really shocking that with Ubuntu having made the mistakes first, Microsoft didn't bother to learn from them.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@RAM. said:
I will give you it looks scary and intimidating to start, but once you sit in the drivers seat its really quite reliable.
I wouldn't consider myself a newb anymore and prefer to futz with KDE or GNOME, but it'll come in time :-P.
Reliable sure. Useful... Not so much.
respectfully I disagree, the environment is opinion oriented, what works best aesthetically for one person, may not carry over to another.
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@RAM. said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@RAM. said:
I will give you it looks scary and intimidating to start, but once you sit in the drivers seat its really quite reliable.
I wouldn't consider myself a newb anymore and prefer to futz with KDE or GNOME, but it'll come in time :-P.
Reliable sure. Useful... Not so much.
respectfully I disagree, the environment is opinion oriented, what works best aesthetically for one person, may not carry over to another.
True, but it works well for very, very few and the issues with opinions of Linux being hard and unfriendly seem to be pretty clearly traced to it. It is jarring and confusing and if it was for people who knew what they were getting, that would be fine, but when it is touted as the easy choice for Linux newbies and then made jarring and confusing.... something doesn't add up. It isn't that no one likes it, it is that it is one of the hardest interfaces for introducing an average user to. It is, quite literally, what sabotaging the Linux ecosystem would look like. Call it easy, tell Windows users to try it out, laugh as they run screaming back to Windows. It isn't about aesthetics, it's about usability for users who are almost universally coming from a Windows environment.
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Lots of features but much cleaner than Unity for sure and still clean for GNOME. GNOME was always my favorite. Heck, my taskbar still resides at the top because it just feels more comfortable there. I credit running Ubuntu solely for at least two years for that little ditty. Started at 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. Good times...mind drifts off into nostalgia
