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@dafyre said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@Dashrender said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
Libra Office is local only (currently) and $10 for 500 GB?
LibreOffice (not Libra Office) has its online component, called CORE, already available for download. It's on my list to get working in a how to shortly.
Cool - didn't know that - I recall a post here months ago talking about ownCloud and LibraOffice, but had no idea where it was.
I just saw this week that their partner said that it was available for download and that the ownCloud integrated download was nearly ready.
I hope they just add the Libre Office stuff as a plugin to ownCloud... If they integrate it too tightly it will make it more difficult to keep oC at the current version.
The owncloud plugin get's pointed to the libreoffice program, so in the current form they are still two independent things.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
And those don't get randomly taken away at a whim.
It puzzles me that on the one hand you say that anyone who runs on-premise Exchange rather than O365 is probably an idiot, but on the other hand, you say you don't trust MS not to take away functionality of O365 and recommend running your own solutions and servers instead.
This seems a contradiction. Either you trust Microsoft O365 or you don't?
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@Carnival-Boy said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
And those don't get randomly taken away at a whim.
It puzzles me that on the one hand you say that anyone who runs on-premise Exchange rather than O365 is probably an idiot, but on the other hand, you say you don't trust MS not to take away functionality of O365 and recommend running your own solutions and servers instead.
This seems a contradiction. Either you trust Microsoft O365 or you don't?
No, it is not a trust or don't. I don't trust Microsoft to continue to deliver consumer services tomorrow that they advertise today, nor do I trust them to give all consumer customers what they advertise to others.
In regards to commercial services, I trust Microsoft as well as most in house IT departments to attempt to deliver reliable services, but I trust MS to do this more, especially as in house IT has to trust MS as well.
If the question is "how do you run Exchange", trusting MS is part of the equation no matter how you decide to look at it. Trusting MS is intrinsic to using Exchange. So trusting them or not can never be a factor. If it was, the answer would be to not use Exchange at all.
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With a perpetual licence, like Exchange, terms are fixed. What you buy is what you get, forever. With a subscription service, like O365, terms aren't fixed. Hence your fear of things getting "randomly taken away at a whim"
I don't think you should make a big distinction between consumer services and commercial services. The distinction you should be making is between free services (Live.com) and paid services (O365). Microsoft has taken things away from free services, but I'm not aware of it doing the same to paid and I wouldn't expect them to. Trusting free services is always tricky, because that's where things do get taken away (normally in the form of "this used to be free, but now you have to pay").
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@Carnival-Boy said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
With a perpetual licence, like Exchange, terms are fixed. What you buy is what you get, forever. With a subscription service, like O365, terms aren't fixed. Hence your fear of things getting "randomly taken away at a whim"
That's totally true, I agree. However I don't "not" trust MS to take away enterprise offerings on a whim or at least I trust them to modify them in sensible, consistent ways. I trust MS to make servers, databases, and enterprise services. I don't trust them to make tablets, phones or consumer services (although the XBOX is a pretty good product line, it seems to be a fluke.)
Although even though Exchange is perpetual and O365 is month to month, this only evens out the "waves". If MS drops all support for Exchange tomorrow, you don't just have it shut down tomorrow, but you do have to figure out a migration strategy sooner than later.
However, the issue with in house Exchange is less that MS will dump you. It's that your internal IT might. Maybe they quit. Maybe they decide not to support Exchange. Maybe they just can't figure out what to do. To a business, this is all the same - it's just like MS dropping O365 Hosted Exchange but with potentially zero warning rather than an SLA term and with someone to sue in case they do it illegally and a big company with a huge reputation on the line that they would never recover from if they did this. You are protected by the market. In house, you have no such protections.
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@Carnival-Boy said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
I don't think you should make a big distinction between consumer services and commercial services. The distinction you should be making is between free services (Live.com) and paid services (O365). Microsoft has taken things away from free services, but I'm not aware of it doing the same to paid and I wouldn't expect them to. Trusting free services is always tricky, because that's where things do get taken away (normally in the form of "this used to be free, but now you have to pay").
That's also a good way to look at it.
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My in house comment wasn't, to be clear, that I expect in house IT to be malicious. It can happen, but that's not the risk that I am thinking of realistically.
Let's just take you as an example. You run Exchange in house. Tomorrow, you get hit by a bus and, coincidentally, Exchange goes down. That's it, who will support it? Sure you can always hire another consulting firm or hire a new staffer to support it, but setting up a new relationship takes time, likely more than a day and likely even longer since, you know, email is down.
Even if you don't get hit by a bus, you might be on vacation, get sick, win the lotto or get offered a job that is too good to pass up and is tons of money and needs you in two weeks. Sure, you have two weeks to phase them over to someone, but two weeks isn't long at all.
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And of course you can have an MSP lined up a ready that already knows your environment, and a datacentre ready to handle failover hosting and all kinds of mitigation strategies. But, at best, you can never have the size of staff, access to code and access to the people making the product that MS has.
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@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
And of course you can have an MSP
Well yeah. I don't see why you're conflating on-premise Exchange with having an internal IT department. I'm guessing NTG has supported on-premise Exchange for clients for years?
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@Carnival-Boy said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
@scottalanmiller said in E-Mail From OneDrive:
And of course you can have an MSP
Well yeah. I don't see why you're conflating on-premise Exchange with having an internal IT department. I'm guessing NTG has supported on-premise Exchange for clients for years?
Sure. And I think that we are decent at it. But I'll be the first to admit that we can't do it as well as Microsoft can themselves. Do we try to? Sure. But realistically, we just can't. We can do a good job, but they have resources and scale and access to things that we cannot have.
We do, as an MS partner, have access to MS support directly and in ways that normal customers do not. That helps bridge that gap, but MS is always part of the bigger equation.
