Windows 10 Auto Update
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
We excuse and enable people by making it socially acceptable to not do their due diligence in this one part of life that no one would accept in any other walk of life.
I can get behind this sentiment. I try to educate my users as much as I can but our turnover rate is pretty bad. I also don't have a lot of users interested in it. My company does cater to people who "can't figure it out" and I don't agree with that. You have to change with technology.
It's a bigger thing. We have schools for this. People take computer classes. Teachers are supposed t be teaching something. It needs to be fundamental. You don't expect your corporate mechanic to teach everyone how to drive. It's not IT's job to educate. We get stuck doing it because, again, everyone empowers computers to be a "special case."
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
The onus is on the software vendor (Microsoft in this case) to fix their shit. and require non admin accounts by default.
That's like saying that onus is on Chevy to buckle your seatbelt for you.
In a sense this is true. We had to get seatbelt ads on TV to drive the point home with people.
Maybe uncle sam (can't believe I'm about to type this) should write a law that tech companies must supply money to a fund to create advertisements to make people smarter about computer security/updates/use.... etc.
Even ads didn't do it. We had to make it a law. How long before running as an admin should be outlawed with a $500 fine if caught so that malware is less likely to spread?
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@Dashrender said:
I don't expect anyone buying a car to any due diligence - are you kidding? Look how many people are whining about high gas prices (when they were high), or buy huge vehicles that won't fit in places they often go, etc...
Similar diligence with a car involves checking oil, air pressure, wiper fluid, etc.
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I may have missed someone already saying this as I skimmed through: believe I saw a headline that the upgrade was moving from the Recommended to the Important category.
If I didn't dream that, everyone who lets it install the important updates automatically would probably get it around the same time.
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I spoke to one of the people last night.
The conversation had a few lines something to the affect of
"Yeah something came up about an upgrade, but I didn't really read it. Or I walked away or something. But it certainly wasn't clear." -
@BRRABill said:
f"Yeah something came up about an upgrade, but I didn't really read it. Or I walked away or something. But it certainly wasn't clear."
The first statement proves that the second is a lie. He can't claim that it wasn't clear after admitting that he didn't read it.
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Here is the supported way:
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"Well officer, the sign wasn't clear to me that I was supposed to stop. You shouldn't hold me accountable for this car accident."
"But what was unclear about 'Stop'?"
"Okay, actually I didn't even read the sign. I saw it, but decided to not read it and eat this sandwich instead. But since it is socially acceptable to call ignoring something not understanding it, I'm going to go with that and you have to let me off with just a warning because... ha ha ha, I mock you with socially accepted lying."
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@BRRABill said:
I spoke to one of the people last night.
The conversation had a few lines something to the affect of
"Yeah something came up about an upgrade, but I didn't really read it. Or I walked away or something. But it certainly wasn't clear."Yes it was - but it wasn't a flashing red light telling them that even if the sales person had an aneurysm, he wouldn't sell them the RV, whoops - I mean install Windows 10.
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I spoke to one of the people last night.
The conversation had a few lines something to the affect of
"Yeah something came up about an upgrade, but I didn't really read it THOROUGHLY. Or I walked away or something. But it certainly wasn't clear."I fixed it for myself.
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Hard to believe that it didn't mention Windows 10 somewhere. Has anyone seen the upgrade notice to know what it says?
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I can't seem to find a picture of what people are getting. Seems pretty likely that it mentions Windows 10, though.
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Seems like from what I am reading they make it hard to cancel out. AKA, there is no "CANCEL I"M NOT INTERESTED" type button.
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@BRRABill said:
Seems like from what I am reading they make it hard to cancel out. AKA, there is no "CANCEL I"M NOT INTERESTED" type button.
Hmmm... interesting. But this hasn't hit the news yet? That feels unlikely.
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Well, it looks like this:
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Win10.jpg
I could see how people might get confused thinking there is no other option.
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@BRRABill said:
I could see how people might get confused thinking there is no other option.
If their response was "I was given no other option", then okay. If their response was "I thought that I was forced to upgrade but didn't spend a moment looking at this..." then I read that as "I couldn't be bothered to not just accept it and complain later."
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@BRRABill said:
Well, it looks like this:
http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Win10.jpg
I could see how people might get confused thinking there is no other option.
I've been getting that prompt on my Win 7 Enterprise for a few weeks now. It comes up every time I restart the computer no matter how many times I tell it not to. Tempted to have the Desktop Admin image my machine.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Seems like from what I am reading they make it hard to cancel out. AKA, there is no "CANCEL I"M NOT INTERESTED" type button.
Hmmm... interesting. But this hasn't hit the news yet? That feels unlikely.
Oh but it did - Paul Thurrott mentioned it on Windows Weekly 2-3 weeks ago. I'm guessing MS just hasn't deployed this change to the extreme yet.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
Seems like from what I am reading they make it hard to cancel out. AKA, there is no "CANCEL I"M NOT INTERESTED" type button.
Hmmm... interesting. But this hasn't hit the news yet? That feels unlikely.
Oh but it did - Paul Thurrott mentioned it on Windows Weekly 2-3 weeks ago. I'm guessing MS just hasn't deployed this change to the extreme yet.
He mentioned that there was no way to not accept it?
