Do I Need A Layer 3 Core Switch?
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@Dashrender Redundancy and I am almost positive that the switches that have more than 4 ports of SPF+ cost more than double. I think at that point you are looking at a core type switch.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Not that it means anything - but I've never heard of Extreme Summit.
Not SMB gear. It's good stuff. Way better than Cisco.
What the deciding line when you move from, for lack of a better term, SMB stuff to - Way better than Cisco stuff?
LOL, well if it is designed for large businesses or if it is "making due" equipment with lack of support, features, performance, etc. Cisco walks an odd line of having both enterprise gear and hobbyist crap and just horrible prices and rarely very good. Value is low, even when the quality is there.
It's hard to exactly describe a line, but it is pretty clear when you look at companies. Juniper, Adtran, Extreme, Palo Alto are enterprise gear. They expect network engineers to be involved.
Netgear, D-Link, Ubiquiti, etc. don't expect network engineers and are built for companies that need a bit less. Doesn't mean it is bad, it's just not meant for the same audience.
Some, like Dell and HP ride the line, leaning towards enterprise. But you'd see them in both places.
Similar to mini computers, you don't see them in the SMB. It's kind of commodity versus non-commodity.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Not that it means anything - but I've never heard of Extreme Summit.
Not SMB gear. It's good stuff. Way better than Cisco.
What the deciding line when you move from, for lack of a better term, SMB stuff to - Way better than Cisco stuff?
LOL, well if it is designed for large businesses or if it is "making due" equipment with lack of support, features, performance, etc. Cisco walks an odd line of having both enterprise gear and hobbyist crap and just horrible prices and rarely very good. Value is low, even when the quality is there.
It's hard to exactly describe a line, but it is pretty clear when you look at companies. Juniper, Adtran, Extreme, Palo Alto are enterprise gear. They expect network engineers to be involved.
Netgear, D-Link, Ubiquiti, etc. don't expect network engineers and are built for companies that need a bit less. Doesn't mean it is bad, it's just not meant for the same audience.
Some, like Dell and HP ride the line, leaning towards enterprise. But you'd see them in both places.
Similar to mini computers, you don't see them in the SMB. It's kind of commodity versus non-commodity.
Interesting that you would include Adtran in the enterprise side of things. I knew very little about them before my time here and I am not saying they aren't enterprise, I just never knew they would be lumped in with Juniper and the like.
I like the ease of use in terms of the web gui but I have had to replace both of mine due to dead ports.
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@wrx7m said:
Interesting that you would include Adtran in the enterprise side of things. I knew very little about them before my time here and I am not saying they aren't enterprise, I just never knew they would be lumped in with Juniper and the like.
Well, above Cisco for sure
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Maybe the same build quality, but way better value
Adtran is often listed as one of those secrets of network engineers. They made the high end equipment for a lot of rebranders.
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@scottalanmiller Interesting. I had not heard that before. Maybe I should give them a second look?
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Definitely worth considering. Extreme is great stuff too.
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I will check them out. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Maybe this is a better question, Should @wrx7m be considering Extreme instead of someone like HP? Or maybe the price isn't that much if any less then Extreme with four SPF+ ports.
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HP is just fine too. Get prices, see what the difference is. And what you have experience with and a good VAR relationship for matters as well.
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So Adtran doesn't seem to have anything in the 10GE arena. I think that is another reason why I had eliminated them early on.
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@wrx7m said:
So Adtran doesn't seem to have anything in the 10GE arena. I think that is another reason why I had eliminated them early on.
That would do it.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wrx7m said:
So Adtran doesn't seem to have anything in the 10GE arena. I think that is another reason why I had eliminated them early on.
That would do it.
LOL. Yeah. Very strange that they have the edge/campus but without any 10GE and then they carrier class with ONT and others.
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@Dashrender said:
wow, $3800/ea for the TOR switches...
$4k is pennies in large switches. A lot of ours (not access they are around $4k-$6k for 48 port 800watt Poe) are $20k+
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@Dashrender said:
Not that it means anything - but I've never heard of Extreme Summit.
you don't know the purple? Haha
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@Jason said:
@Dashrender said:
Not that it means anything - but I've never heard of Extreme Summit.
you don't know the purple? Haha
LOL I guess my needs just don't justify it.
Most of the stuff you're dealing with Jason are so far outside with 99% of the users here deal with.
