ThanksAJ in Car Accident
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Trust me, if your brakes are stopping you, you're not seeing the conditions we worry about and are driving in situations we consider tame.
Please explain to me what is stopping you then.
Stopping ME is my brakes, because I can safely get to them because I know how to drive.
What stops people in FWD is normally a snow bank.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Trust me, if your brakes are stopping you, you're not seeing the conditions we worry about and are driving in situations we consider tame.
Please explain to me what is stopping you then.
Answer is traction.
Sure, the traction from the side of your car slamming into a birm or a wall.
You are missing that we are talking about snow here.
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Why cant people just agree to disagree sometimes?
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@alex.olynyk said:
Why cant people just agree to disagree sometimes?
Because he's wrong and it pleases me to point it out lol
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@alex.olynyk said:
Why cant people just agree to disagree sometimes?
Because that's just something people say when they have realized that they are wrong but don't want to admit it
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I have learned a lot from this convo.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Trust me, if your brakes are stopping you, you're not seeing the conditions we worry about and are driving in situations we consider tame.
Please explain to me what is stopping you then.
Answer is traction.
We are literally talking about a situation where your car goes into a spin. Sure, traction stops you, eventually. But that traction might be from your wheel going sideways, or from hitting debris, other cars or the side of the road. IF your brakes have the traction to stop you, then you aren't talking about the kinds of conditions we are discussing. We are taking about slick, icy conditions where your brakes can't safety stop you, which is a HUGE portion of the year in the NE - it's driving conditions we have to live with day in , day out and can't avoid with snow days or whatever.
Bottom line, if you think the brakes CAN stop you safely, then we are simply discussing different weather conditions.
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@scottalanmiller said:
You are missing that we are talking about snow here.
No I'm very clear about it and you're making up wishy washy nonsense about how less traction is better than more. That's frankly just incorrect.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You are missing that we are talking about snow here.
No I'm very clear about it and you're making up wishy washy nonsense about how less traction is better than more. That's frankly just incorrect.
Why do you feel that loss of control has no value and traction does?
If you believe that traction is always better, then pull the e-break at highway speeds and see what happens. Does that worry you? Why? All traction is good, right?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Trust me, if your brakes are stopping you, you're not seeing the conditions we worry about and are driving in situations we consider tame.
Please explain to me what is stopping you then.
Answer is traction.
We are literally talking about a situation where your car goes into a spin. Sure, traction stops you, eventually. But that traction might be from your wheel going sideways, or from hitting debris, other cars or the side of the road. IF your brakes have the traction to stop you, then you aren't talking about the kinds of conditions we are discussing. We are taking about slick, icy conditions where your brakes can't safety stop you, which is a HUGE portion of the year in the NE - it's driving conditions we have to live with day in , day out and can't avoid with snow days or whatever.
Bottom line, if you think the brakes CAN stop you safely, then we are simply discussing different weather conditions.
Sweet - now tell me how RWD gives you any advantage.
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@MattSpeller Read his earlier posts
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Not to play devil's advocate, but if you had AWD or 4x4 you wouldn't be spinning in the first place.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You are missing that we are talking about snow here.
No I'm very clear about it and you're making up wishy washy nonsense about how less traction is better than more. That's frankly just incorrect.
Why do you feel that loss of control has no value and traction does?
If you believe that traction is always better, then pull the e-break at highway speeds and see what happens. Does that worry you? Why? All traction is good, right?
Traction is control, traction is how you maintain control. When your drive wheels have the majority of the weight of your car sitting on them it's much easier to maintain traction and thus control.
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@MattSpeller said:
Sweet - now tell me how RWD gives you any advantage.
I explained it pretty thoroughly. The dragging wheels are BEHIND you, so the car slows while wanting to face forward... like dragging an anchor or parachute. The car wants to go in a straight line.
I'm unclear where you are confused on where the drag comes from.
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@MattSpeller said:
Traction is control, traction is how you maintain control.
This whole conversation is about how that is a myth.
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@MattSpeller said:
When your drive wheels have the majority of the weight of your car sitting on them it's much easier to maintain traction and thus control.
Completely untrue, as we've said and demonstrated above. What part of "spinning bad" do you think I'm wrong about?
How do you explain the e-brake problem if traction is always control?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
Traction is control, traction is how you maintain control.
This whole conversation is about how that is a myth.
Whoooooaaaaaaa ok.... I'm going to leave it right there. Sure.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@MattSpeller said:
Traction is control, traction is how you maintain control.
This whole conversation is about how that is a myth.
Whoooooaaaaaaa ok.... I'm going to leave it right there. Sure.
But I demonstrated why it was true. You just keep acting like I didn't explain it.
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Have you even had enough traction to have your transmission pull out of the car? Trust me, traction and control are extremely different things.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Have you even had enough traction to have your transmission pull out of the car? Trust me, traction and control are extremely different things.
Offroad = All you care about is traction
Onroad = Control is more important, but traction creates the opportunity for control.
