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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by DustinB3403

      So below is the most recent Delta (the last I made) note the UUID, the Name of the VM (and how there are 3 of them) and the files within the VM.

      0_1452261644570_2016-01-08_08-59-15.png

      0_1452261648602_2016-01-08_08-59-47.png

      So for 100% free, I have delta functionality to restore my choosen VM's on whatever schedule I need. All that is needed is enough capacity to store the Delta backups.

      Which is pretty awesome!

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by

        Now my biggest complaint is, from what I can see within XC and XO is there is no easy way to identify when the "restore" has been completed. This is obviously a pain in the ass, but I did notice that when restoring the delta, you can check XC to see if the vDisk has been restored.

        Which is one of the last items to be created from what I've noticed.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          Very cool.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender
            last edited by

            Are the deltas from the the previous delta or from the last full backup?

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender from multiple points during the process. Fulls and Partials result in a restore to that backup. Here's a picture of the CentOS NFS Share that list all that I created for the system.

              0_1452275903217_2016-01-08_12-57-22.png

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              • RamblingBipedR
                RamblingBiped
                last edited by

                Very cool, thank you for sharing. I still haven't had enough time to sit down and spin up a XO vm at home yet, but your threads on here have been eating away at me to get it done.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  @DustinB3403 said:

                  @Dashrender from multiple points during the process. Fulls and Partials result in a restore to that backup. Here's a picture of the CentOS NFS Share that list all that I created for the system.

                  I'm not sure this answers my question.

                  If you took a baseline image/backup 4 hours ago, then took a partial 2 hours ago, then another partial now, would the the second partial backup all of the changes since the baseline 4 hours ago, or from the partial from 2 hours ago?

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender You can see in the screenshot above that there are delta's and full backup's created.

                    The partials copy the changes from whenever the full was last created.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
                      last edited by

                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @Dashrender You can see in the screenshot above that there are delta's and full backup's created.

                      The partials copy the changes from whenever the full was last created.

                      OK - thanks.

                      I really like the incremental forever solution I currently have.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
                        last edited by DustinB3403

                        @scottalanmiller maybe I misunderstand it, so I'm asking for your expertise.

                        Wouldn't "Rolling Snapshots" in XO be the Forever incremental that @Dashrender is looking for?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 said:

                          @Dashrender You can see in the screenshot above that there are delta's and full backup's created.

                          The partials copy the changes from whenever the full was last created.

                          Calling them partials is really confusing. The industry terms are incrementals and differentials. These would be differentials then. If we use the right terms, there is no ambiguity.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said:

                            @scottalanmiller maybe I misunderstand it, so I'm asking for your expertise.

                            Wouldn't "Rolling Snapshots" in XO be the Forever incremental that @Dashrender is looking for?

                            I've not looked at that feature. Do you have a link to their documentation on it?

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/xen-orchestra-documentation-2/

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @DustinB3403 said:

                                @Dashrender You can see in the screenshot above that there are delta's and full backup's created.

                                The partials copy the changes from whenever the full was last created.

                                Calling them partials is really confusing. The industry terms are incrementals and differentials. These would be differentials then. If we use the right terms, there is no ambiguity.

                                I used the term partial because until Dustin's post in the XO thread if they were incrementals or differentials.

                                though as usual, you're right 🙂

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  Here it is. https://xen-orchestra.com/docs/rolling_snapshots.html

                                  This is really what it sounds like and not backups at all. You could use it to build your own backup solution, but on its own it isn't one. It is just snapshots for version rollback locally.

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                                  • olivierO
                                    olivier
                                    last edited by olivier

                                    Guys,

                                    You should ping me or create GitHub issues when you have concerns, bug report or questions about XO 😉

                                    For the restore without knowing what's happening: I just updated this yesterday, now the VM is named "[Importing...] VMname" until the restore is completed. See https://github.com/vatesfr/xo-web/issues/641

                                    Already closed, so out for 4.12 around Jan 15 🙂

                                    About "Forever forward incremental backup", allowing you to avoid any full export after the initial one, it consists of:

                                    • merging offline (ie: without Xen, by ourselves) the original full backup with its contiguous snaphot
                                    • doing step each time, step by step

                                    So you never need to re-export the full stuff after the first time. A good illustration here, from VEEAM:

                                    This should be out in 4.13 (end of Jan.), 4.12 with some luck.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @olivier
                                      last edited by

                                      @olivier sorry Olivier we know you're busy, and I'm the defacto "XS Fan here...." so I play with a lot of the fun stuff and post some cool topics.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender
                                        last edited by

                                        LOL, just ask and ye shall receive.

                                        Awesome @olivier

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
                                          last edited by

                                          Though a question to Scott's point - are vib files backup files or are they Xen image snaps?

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                            last edited by

                                            @Dashrender said:

                                            Though a question to Scott's point - are vib files backup files or are they Xen image snaps?

                                            Those are Veeam backups. He's just using their diagram. 🙂

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