P2V from Lenovo Laptop to Recover PST
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@BRRABill said:
Considering how many people HERE are discussing illegal recovery scenarios ... how can the general public even be thought of to know?
We are NOT discussing recovery scenarios in order to recover his files. We are discussing nothing except for working around Staples policy.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You never need to boot. Never. That's physically impossible. That's not a viable scenario.
Isn't that what this whole thread was about? Just getting the file wasn't enough? They needed the program?
Not, this thread is about someone trying to violate Staple's policy. If the goal was recovery we would have been done in minutes as I've pointed out over and over again. None of this is a limitation on recovery.
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I've put a moratorium on myself about discussing this topic for the rest of 2015.
Though I am sure I will have broken my own moratorium by EOD.
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@BRRABill said:
We will just agree to disagree.
That's a very bad idea because it will just come up over and over again. We need to understand each other's positions.
Mine is that the law and contracts are important and that people should not be given a free pass to break the law and that business contracts should not be "wrong" for one party having not paid for what they need.
I believe that the majority opinions is that "big companies are wrong and consumers should be allowed to do anything that they want even if they agreed not to."
If that isn't what you feel, what is the counter argument here because that's all that's being discussed. He has his data, no problem there. This is about wanting to move his OEM to another piece of hardware "just because" or to go to VDI "just because." NOT about data recovery.
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@BRRABill said:
And of course follow licensing and steer people around the potential pitfalls of OEM licensing.
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
I have no issues with this statement. I'm sorry to have driven this topic off point.
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The real moral of the story here is purely - don't use Staples for service.
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@scottalanmiller said:
The real moral of the story here is purely - don't use Staples for service.
But you just press the Easy Button and it's done.
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There is really no discussion here. The licensing law is what it is. No circumstances will ever change that. That being said, there would NEVER be any enforcement on the given scenario.
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Microsoft woudn't care if you just recovered your files and killed the VM. IT doesn't cost them anything
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Even if they did somehow care, it would cost them more to pursue it and it's HIGHLY doubtful that they would be backed in court. See reason 1
You can sit here and say it's illegal and all this and that, but Microsoft didn't make this law for this scenario in mind. However they cant flex on scenarios or people would be finding loopholes.
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@IRJ said:
- Even if they did somehow care, it would cost them more to pursue it and it's HIGHLY doubtful that they would be backed in court. See reason 1
You can sit here and say it's illegal and all this and that, but Microsoft didn't make this law for this scenario in mind. However they cant flex on scenarios or people would be finding loopholes.
I don't agree there. They do lose money in this case, many hundreds of dollars of licensing per occurrence. Do this at home, meh. Do this at Staples, and you are talking about a multi-million dollar suit potentially. MS could go after this as institutional license violations.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I don't agree there. They do lose money in this case, many hundreds of dollars of licensing per occurrence. Do this at home, meh. Do this at Staples, and you are talking about a multi-million dollar suit potentially. MS could go after this as institutional license violations.
It is the small IT shop that's really the gray area. Not in legality but whether it's a "meh" or not. I'd almost bet the majority of shops look the other way.
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@BRRABill said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I don't agree there. They do lose money in this case, many hundreds of dollars of licensing per occurrence. Do this at home, meh. Do this at Staples, and you are talking about a multi-million dollar suit potentially. MS could go after this as institutional license violations.
It is the small IT shop that's really the gray area. Not in legality but whether it's a "meh" or not. I'd almost bet the majority of shops look the other way.
Yes, small shops quite broadly make their money by stealing software. I've definitely lost business because small shops were openly stealing software for their customers. But would MS care if they found out... oh hell yeah. That monetary loss doesn't just impact MS, it impacts every IT Pro that isn't willing to steal to justify their cost.
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This thread went on for 3.5 more pages?! Dang! I just called the user and told them it wasn't recoverable. It wasn't worth the amount of time it was going to take me to do it. I have too much other $4!+ to do...
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@scottalanmiller said:
Nothing wrong with him trying to recover the data, as long as that is allowed (sounds like it is not.) He has means by which he can legally do that. It's only company policy stating that he cannot.
Recovering data is allowed. But the network is locked down in some very weird ways...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
And of course follow licensing and steer people around the potential pitfalls of OEM licensing.
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
I don't know where you got the idea we forbid data recovery. We don't...
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@thanksajdotcom said:
This thread went on for 3.5 more pages?! Dang! I just called the user and told them it wasn't recoverable. It wasn't worth the amount of time it was going to take me to do it. I have too much other $4!+ to do...
Good choice
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Nothing wrong with him trying to recover the data, as long as that is allowed (sounds like it is not.) He has means by which he can legally do that. It's only company policy stating that he cannot.
Recovering data is allowed. But the network is locked down in some very weird ways...
That's why I said "technically" at some point meaning that the recovery itself might not have had a policy but they specifically put controls in to block it being done.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
And of course follow licensing and steer people around the potential pitfalls of OEM licensing.
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
I don't know where you got the idea we forbid data recovery. We don't...
Just block the process of it. It amounts to the same thing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Nothing wrong with him trying to recover the data, as long as that is allowed (sounds like it is not.) He has means by which he can legally do that. It's only company policy stating that he cannot.
Recovering data is allowed. But the network is locked down in some very weird ways...
That's why I said "technically" at some point meaning that the recovery itself might not have had a policy but they specifically put controls in to block it being done.
No, they didn't. It has nothing to do with recovery. I can't even ping machines on the same subnet. But I can do other things. They have instituted some really idiotic controls.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@BRRABill said:
And of course follow licensing and steer people around the potential pitfalls of OEM licensing.
The problem is, how do you anticipate that someone will only be willing to use Staples - a shop that forbids data recovery. You can't. At some point people just need to pay for being idiots. This has nothing to do with OEM licensing problems. It's all about end users making bad decisions. If he went to any kid and asked him to get the files back they could do it for him. It's wanting Staples to do something that they don't offer as a service that is the issue.
I don't know where you got the idea we forbid data recovery. We don't...
Just block the process of it. It amounts to the same thing.
No, we don't. The network is just really weird...our IP scheme starts with 6.x.x.x...
