Full Linux Tablet Coming
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@DustinB3403 said:
My goal, if I were designing a tablet, for the purpose of mild content creation & content consumption would be to build an all inclusive device, which doesn't require any external device to use the device "easily" as an onscreen keyboard would consume the majority of the display of any mobile device.
I feel like you are describing a laptop. What aspect of this isn't "a laptop"?
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@DustinB3403 said:
But build a better projection keyboard. Build better tech, rather than falling back to already existing models.
How do I use that, say, on my lap? No matter how "good" it is? Where can I use that except in contrived situations where I wouldn't use a tablet?
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OK Lets take a Surface Pro.
As designed, it has hardware (screen, processor, memory, SSD, etc) then you have the software.
Add 1 more piece of hardware into the mix, that's built in, not at all external to the case. (the part you actually can touch besides the screen). That part being a projector, and build software to create a projection keyboard for that device.
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@DustinB3403 said:
OK Lets take a Surface Pro.
As designed, it has hardware (screen, processor, memory, SSD, etc) then you have the software.
Add 1 more piece of hardware into the mix, that's built in, not at all external to the case. (the part you actually can touch besides the screen). That part being a projector, and build software to create a projection keyboard for that device.
And, to me, now you just have an even more useless device. More costly to make, still has a useless keyboard so that it is just a worse tablet than before, which was already a bad tablet.
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I think this is the perfect example of why I like dedicated devices and not half-assed attempts at integration. There is no universal rule saying that one device should meet all needs. That's an assumption without basis. Nothing wrong with trying to do that, but you have to assume that there is no reason to believe that it is sensible.
There is a reason why laptops don't replace desktops, why tablets don't replace laptops, why phones don't replace tablets and why watches don't replace phones and why implants don't replace watches. Each thing has a niche, a use case where it makes sense. Contractors don't build houses with just a hammer nor do they feel like they should. Different tools for different work.
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It's only bad, because of a few case uses.
In many cases a built in projection keyboard would be quite useful. Maybe not all as if you wanted to use the device on your lap. But a better software/hardware approach could be designed.
Not sure specifically how, maybe some soft of limitation on the registered input for the "keystrokes" but it's certainly possible.
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@DustinB3403 said:
It's only bad, because of a few case uses.
By "few", isnt it most? I can't think of anytime I'd want the limitation of a tablet where I'd be able to use the keyboard. Where are you picturing it being useful?
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@DustinB3403 said:
But a better software/hardware approach could be designed.
Can it? That's a big assumption. I'm not saying it can't, but you are assuming that it just can, which is only a safe assumption if you have already done so.
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@DustinB3403 said:
Not sure specifically how, maybe some soft of limitation on the registered input for the "keystrokes" but it's certainly possible.
What do you mean? Unless the device can make the unknown surface on which it is projecting feel like a keyboard, it isn't as good.
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Lets use your job as an example (and sorry if there are any missing points)
You have a tablet with an external keyboard. You travel to a clients site, but lost the keyboard. Now you are stuck using the on-screen keyboard for all input into the device.
Wouldn't a built in projection keyboard fill an immediate need?
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@DustinB3403 said:
Lets use your job as an example (and sorry if there are any missing points)
You have a tablet with an external keyboard. You travel to a clients site, but lost the keyboard. Now you are stuck using the on-screen keyboard for all input into the device.
Wouldn't a built in projection keyboard fill an immediate need?
Not as well as just typing on the screen. But why would I have a tablet with a keyboard? I wouldn't do that. I'd have a laptop because of the reasons I already stated. You are starting from the assumption that I am not using a good device for the purpose and now trying to come up with a DR solution for when bad decisions get worse? This seems, odd. Not entirely without merit, but I don't see any value. Maybe some extreme edge case, but it would make the device heavier, more costly and more complicated for everyone in exchange for the theory that it would get better for someone, maybe.
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My point is that, a peripheral device certainly fills a large gap with regards to the need, but are often lost, forgotten, or misplaced. Building a better solution to the primary device, although difficult to do or justify doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
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@DustinB3403 said:
My point is that, a peripheral device certainly fills a large gap with regards to the need, but are often lost, forgotten, or misplaced. Building a better solution to the primary device, although difficult to do or justify doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
So you fundamentally feel that desktops are a bad thing as they are the antithesis of this?
And I'm confused how you came to that discussion from talking about the OS, there was no transition, you just started talking about it in the middle of the OS discussion. No one else is discussing hardware that I saw. I'm not sure of the relevance. But fundamentally, I don't agree at all. The idea that everything needs to be integrated is the same as the idea that you need one device to rule them all. It's the opposite of what I want and the opposite of what power users gravitate to.
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Nothing wrong with the attempt. But thinking that the word "should" gets applies is where, I think, it all falls apart.
Bottom line you just feel that a projection keyboard is something you want. That's fine. Neat idea. I'd see that as a negative on a device, myself.
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One of the reasons that I love desktops so much... I can build just the right hardware for my use case, install the OS of my choice, pick the keyboard, mouse, gamepad, camera and other peripherals that are just right for my use case, etc. Everything is "best of breed" for how I will be using it. The more that you pack into a single device, the more generic and middle of the road it must become.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Nothing wrong with the attempt. But thinking that the word "should" gets applies is where, I think, it all falls apart.
Bottom line you just feel that a projection keyboard is something you want. That's fine. Neat idea. I'd see that as a negative on a device, myself.
It's not that I want it, its just a solution to building an "All in one" device, that is capable of filling all of the roles that each individual set of devices does.
Desktops for content creation (generally speaking), tablets for lighter content creation and consumption, and pure content consumption devices.
But just to put it out there our mobile devices are already creating content (health statics etc) as we walk around with them.
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I'm drooling....
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why would you have nothing? you have your creation-focused machine.
Like when I am on the couch or on an airplane and don't have my content creation machine(s). It fills a gap for the times when I would otherwise not have a device with me.
So your content creation machine is non mobile, i.e. a desktop?
I guess I have two, a laptop and a desktop.
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Dashrender the point is that the tools to use the device (and to be considered a full OS, as this subject has digressed to) need to be built in.
A peripheral device although standard on a desktop device (keyboard & mouse, speakers, webcam or whatever) all need to come into the main system, and be built into it.
One shouldn't be required to carry a keyboard and mouse around to be productive on a tablet. The tablet, being a mild content creation / consumption device should have the full functionality to complete it's implied design purpose.
Allowing people to easily create content on it, while if they choose also consume content.
Are you implying that tablets today don't have these things already? They have an onscreen keyboard, you use your finger as a mouse, I don't know of any without speakers, and most have a camera. Heck, the majority even have a microphone so you could do voice to text. So how does the hardware prevent these devices from hosting a Full OS in your definition?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Why would you have nothing? you have your creation-focused machine.
Like when I am on the couch or on an airplane and don't have my content creation machine(s). It fills a gap for the times when I would otherwise not have a device with me.
So your content creation machine is non mobile, i.e. a desktop?
I guess I have two, a laptop and a desktop.
I have both. But the desktop is the first class citizen.
