A Frustrated Microsoft Fan After Apple Announcements Today
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I am not anti-Apple and have no bone to pick with them. I am just heavily invested in a Microsoft world both at work and home and just prefer their ecosystem...BUT.........
Not that Apples announcements were earth shattering but as always, they make it look new and cool. I've been a patient Microsoft fan since the day I finally let go of my Amiga in 1992 as my full time PC. I even embraced Pocket PC through Windows Mobile 6.5, Zune and I actually own a Kin.
But is it me or does everything they seem to do feel half-baked or abandoned? Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy? What is the status of Kinect (some of us actually like it as a gaming device)? Why is Skype still not integrated and still showing LIVE ID's? Where are the tools to convert iOS and Android apps to Windows? Why has HoloLens been pushed way back? Where is our touch version of Windows Movie Maker? Where is a Microsoft equal to iLife? Why is waiting another 1-3 months for a flagship so painful? Where is the COHESION????? Why does everything and every idea seem so half-baked????
I totally love my XBOX One as a media center...I like Windows 10 despite it having a lot of half-baked features...I actually do use a third party app for my media, PLEX, since Microsoft Dropped Windows Media Center and it works quite well.
I think I have a legitimate vent here...LOL
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@garak0410 said:
Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy?
Because OWA is the focus. The Mac email app is bad too.
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I think a big piece here is that Apple has ONLY the consumer market. Their whole business is that. Everything they do is around that. They have to rock it. Microsoft is all about business and consumer is just "extra". They don't focus on it and it languishes. They care, but they don't focus.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@garak0410 said:
Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy?
Because OWA is the focus. The Mac email app is bad too.
I used a Mac recently for a short while and didn't test the Mail app much. iMovie wasn't as good as I was expecting either...
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@scottalanmiller said:
I think a big piece here is that Apple has ONLY the consumer market. Their whole business is that. Everything they do is around that. They have to rock it. Microsoft is all about business and consumer is just "extra". They don't focus on it and it languishes. They care, but they don't focus.
That might be the "quote of the post"..."They Care But They Don't Focus"...bingo...that sums up Joe Belfiore!
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@garak0410 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@garak0410 said:
Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy?
Because OWA is the focus. The Mac email app is bad too.
I used a Mac recently for a short while and didn't test the Mail app much. iMovie wasn't as good as I was expecting either...
None of it is very good that I've found. The apps that they include seem pretty weak in general. I don't find the whole system very polished. Things are not well thought out and not intuitive and often obvious features are lacking or hard to find, which nearly amounts to the same thing.
One thing that is tough is that third party products seem to be really flaky on it. Not exactly Apple's fault, but something causes products that are solid on Windows to not work on OSX. Might be a lack of user base and testing and therefore care from the third party vendors, but the lack of third party stability is a huge issue.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@garak0410 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@garak0410 said:
Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy?
Because OWA is the focus. The Mac email app is bad too.
I used a Mac recently for a short while and didn't test the Mail app much. iMovie wasn't as good as I was expecting either...
None of it is very good that I've found. The apps that they include seem pretty weak in general. I don't find the whole system very polished. Things are not well thought out and not intuitive and often obvious features are lacking or hard to find, which nearly amounts to the same thing.
One thing that is tough is that third party products seem to be really flaky on it. Not exactly Apple's fault, but something causes products that are solid on Windows to not work on OSX. Might be a lack of user base and testing and therefore care from the third party vendors, but the lack of third party stability is a huge issue.
Guess it is time to embrace multi-platform! No more eggs in one basket. PLEX as taught me that...I just love it...
I've been waiting on the new Lumia's but the wait has been so painful...using Windows 10 Mobile on my Lumia ICON now and I do like it but batter life is horrid. The iPhone 6s+ may be in my future since my work pays for it...
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There are goods and bads in every platform. Getting religious about any kind of sucks. All do some things well (MS with AD, video games, etc.), Mac with platform integration and power management, Linux with user interface and options....
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@scottalanmiller said:
There are goods and bads in every platform. Getting religious about any kind of sucks. All do some things well (MS with AD, video games, etc.), Mac with platform integration and power management, Linux with user interface and options....
I'm glad to see GOG.COM covering Linux and Mac...that makes it easier to move should I choose to one day...I've got to have my "Good Old Games"
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@garak0410 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
There are goods and bads in every platform. Getting religious about any kind of sucks. All do some things well (MS with AD, video games, etc.), Mac with platform integration and power management, Linux with user interface and options....
I'm glad to see GOG.COM covering Linux and Mac...that makes it easier to move should I choose to one day...I've got to have my "Good Old Games"
Steam too, and Steam is putting in a huge effort for Linux support.
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The included apps on Windows, one could argue, are there as a stepping stone, a get your foot wet type of thing. Not the applications that you should do and die by. Of course that doesn't keep people from doing just that.
I do have to wonder why MS killed of Media Center? Did they feel there was no profit in it? It somehow wasn't worth the effort?
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@Dashrender said:
I do have to wonder why MS killed of Media Center? Did they feel there was no profit in it? It somehow wasn't worth the effort?
Maybe they felt that they were stepping on third party toes in doing so.
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@Dashrender said:
The included apps on Windows, one could argue, are there as a stepping stone, a get your foot wet type of thing. Not the applications that you should do and die by. Of course that doesn't keep people from doing just that.
Same with Mac.
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@garak0410 said:
I am not anti-Apple and have no bone to pick with them. I am just heavily invested in a Microsoft world both at work and home and just prefer their ecosystem...BUT.........
Not that Apples announcements were earth shattering but as always, they make it look new and cool. I've been a patient Microsoft fan since the day I finally let go of my Amiga in 1992 as my full time PC. I even embraced Pocket PC through Windows Mobile 6.5, Zune and I actually own a Kin.
But is it me or does everything they seem to do feel half-baked or abandoned? Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy? What is the status of Kinect (some of us actually like it as a gaming device)? Why is Skype still not integrated and still showing LIVE ID's? Where are the tools to convert iOS and Android apps to Windows? Why has HoloLens been pushed way back? Where is our touch version of Windows Movie Maker? Where is a Microsoft equal to iLife? Why is waiting another 1-3 months for a flagship so painful? Where is the COHESION????? Why does everything and every idea seem so half-baked????
I totally love my XBOX One as a media center...I like Windows 10 despite it having a lot of half-baked features...I actually do use a third party app for my media, PLEX, since Microsoft Dropped Windows Media Center and it works quite well.
I think I have a legitimate vent here...LOL
I'ma say they are terribly misguided and could take their OS to new heights w/ a few simple steps, but compared to OS X they offer one distinct, deal-making advantage: Performance. Everything is much much more responsive in Windows than OS X. It's why I can't work on OS X and have been disappointed w/ every mac I've ever owned.
Hopefully they'll ditch the metroey looks and get an actual designer to redo windowing and icons, but still... Windows is just fast. That's why I use it, and that's why, with one eye closed, I love Microsoft. I don't want to imagine a world where I'd have to get work done w/ OS X or Ubuntu. Shiver. I just don't want to even imagine that.
P.S. Zunes were awesome!!!!! The Kin software looked sweet but I never played w/ one.
P.S.S. Image uploads still don't work in Chrome, 3 weeks later.
Kin Studio was ahead of its time:
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@creayt said:
P.S.S. Image uploads still don't work in Chrome, 3 weeks later.
It's not a browser issue, lots of threads on it. The core plugin doesn't connect to Imgur anymore.
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This is a good article from Daniel Rubino that addresses the frustrations of Microsoft fans: http://www.windowscentral.com/editors-desk-windows-phone-community-imploding
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@creayt said:
@garak0410 said:
I am not anti-Apple and have no bone to pick with them. I am just heavily invested in a Microsoft world both at work and home and just prefer their ecosystem...BUT.........
Not that Apples announcements were earth shattering but as always, they make it look new and cool. I've been a patient Microsoft fan since the day I finally let go of my Amiga in 1992 as my full time PC. I even embraced Pocket PC through Windows Mobile 6.5, Zune and I actually own a Kin.
But is it me or does everything they seem to do feel half-baked or abandoned? Serious...what is Microsoft doing in all they do? Why is Outlook (Windows 10 app) so buggy? What is the status of Kinect (some of us actually like it as a gaming device)? Why is Skype still not integrated and still showing LIVE ID's? Where are the tools to convert iOS and Android apps to Windows? Why has HoloLens been pushed way back? Where is our touch version of Windows Movie Maker? Where is a Microsoft equal to iLife? Why is waiting another 1-3 months for a flagship so painful? Where is the COHESION????? Why does everything and every idea seem so half-baked????
I totally love my XBOX One as a media center...I like Windows 10 despite it having a lot of half-baked features...I actually do use a third party app for my media, PLEX, since Microsoft Dropped Windows Media Center and it works quite well.
I think I have a legitimate vent here...LOL
I'ma say they are terribly misguided and could take their OS to new heights w/ a few simple steps, but compared to OS X they offer one distinct, deal-making advantage: Performance. Everything is much much more responsive in Windows than OS X. It's why I can't work on OS X and have been disappointed w/ every mac I've ever owned.
Hopefully they'll ditch the metroey looks and get an actual designer to redo windowing and icons, but still... Windows is just fast. That's why I use it, and that's why, with one eye closed, I love Microsoft. I don't want to imagine a world where I'd have to get work done w/ OS X or Ubuntu. Shiver. I just don't want to even imagine that.
P.S. Zunes were awesome!!!!! The Kin software looked sweet but I never played w/ one.
P.S.S. Image uploads still don't work in Chrome, 3 weeks later.
Kin Studio was ahead of its time:
I can agree from experience that working with a Mac for a few months, I was not impressed. At least it wasn't this religious experience that Apple fans make it out to be. I do a lot of video editing and I knew iMovie wasn't a top notch editor but with it being on par with what I use often on Windows (Adobe Premiere Elements), I sure expected better performance...in fact, it crashed a lot!
I loved my Zune and finally sold it when I saw no future...and I've battled 2-3 years of SLOW, SLOW progress in what is now Groove Music (devolving to XBOX Music and then slowly improving into Groove Music).
