Rob I do try to take things at face value. I went back over what has been said and haven't found where you or anyone has said that it's created each time a scipt is run. Very likely I misunderstood something. My assumptions are only testing what I think so I know whether or not I get it. Since I now know it's created new each time something is run that makes a big difference to my understanding. It's fine to tell me to take your posts at face value but if I'm left with a question about it the face value is not a value. I'm not trying to be disrespectful however what is plain to you isn't to me. So Merry Christmas and thank you for the excellent discussion