@scottalanmiller said:

Did you just edit that to add the word "fight", I swear when I went to quote that, it only said fist.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. NO. but dear god i wish.

@scottalanmiller said:

@wirestyle22 said:

I'm going to fist fight Bill Gates.

And the award for most disturbing imagery of the day goes to....

It's nice to win anything at this point

@scottalanmiller said:

@wirestyle22 said:

I'm going to have to make a project out of this and control Windows 10. Skynet is real.

Justifying Microsoft's decision

Control it as in limit it's influence. I'm going to fist fight Bill Gates.

@johnhooks said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Dashrender said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Dashrender said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Dashrender said:

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades

But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?

Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.

I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.

Exactly and it's not one.

We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.

Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.

What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future

Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.

Future me will have ZT but present me has remotely uninstalled those updates I listed above which prompt users to upgrade to 10. I may be screwed. I don't know.

I do believe that you are. MS has/will push an important update that will just start the upgrade. The only way I'm aware of how to stop that is with the MS published registry changes... though JohnHooks says there's a MS program that probably does the same.

@johnhooks What say you sir?

I'm not sure. I don't remember talking about any of this lol.

I'm going to have to make a project out of this and control Windows 10. Skynet is real.

Thanks for the info guys. Appreciate it.

@Dashrender said:

PFSense is a good free option, but it requires you provide your own PC class hardware, and the power bill will probably be 10X or more than an ERX.

Thanks very much. I'll check it out.

@Dashrender said:

@BRRABill said:

We all know at some point it's just going to autoinstall, right?

LOL.

I don't think it will auto install any more than any other update does - they almost always prompt... but the users just accept or deny them carte blanch... so that's kinda the same as autoinstalling.

My users click and don't read. I bet it starts and they power the tower down as well when it starts updating. Sigh.

I'm looking into some home networking equipment for a friend of mine who wants me to setup a media server, NAS backup, etc. Looking into firewalls currently. I was thinking of just using PFsense or maybe Sophos but I wanted to get some opinions first. Money saving is of course great but I want to find a happy medium.

@Dashrender said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Dashrender said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Dashrender said:

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades

But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?

Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.

I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.

Exactly and it's not one.

We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.

Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.

What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future

Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.

Future me will have ZT but present me has remotely uninstalled those updates I listed above which prompt users to upgrade to 10. I may be screwed. I don't know.

I do believe that you are. MS has/will push an important update that will just start the upgrade. The only way I'm aware of how to stop that is with the MS published registry changes... though JohnHooks says there's a MS program that probably does the same.

@johnhooks What say you sir?

@BRRABill said:

We all know at some point it's just going to autoinstall, right?

LOL.

Someone needs to write it down on paper because I'm pretty sure that is the first sign that Cyberdyne Systems has completed the new neural net processor and we'll all screwed.

@Dashrender said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Dashrender said:

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades

But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?

Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.

I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.

Exactly and it's not one.

We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.

Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.

What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future

Didn't you say yesterday that you don't have all of your computers on the domain? That tells me that if you are not using a third party patch management solution - then you will have this problem where users will inadvertently upgrade themselves to Windows 10.

Future me will have ZT but present me has remotely uninstalled those updates I listed above which prompt users to upgrade to 10. I may be screwed. I don't know.

@Dashrender said:

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades

But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?

Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.

I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.

Exactly and it's not one.

We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.

Yeah I wonder if GP was being pushed to them. I've had many a problem for remote users that they never got updated GPOs, therefore things didn't work.

What ended up being the cause of it? Relevant to my future

@Jason said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Jason said:

Sadly this thing doesn't even require admin rights for the upgrade anymore. It assumes if you allow users to install updates you want to allow them to install upgrades

But who lets end users do that? For home, sure. But for a business?

Everyone? Who doesn't allow users to install windows updates? You approve them by WSUS then let users install them and make them scheduled if they aren't installed within enough time. Otherwise and administrator has to login to apply the windows updates.

I've never seen an enterprise that left users to their own devices for installing desktop updates. But if they are filtered through WSUS, I could see that making sense. But in that case, it is jointly managed and the Windows 10 update would not be an issue again.

Exactly and it's not one.

We've seen it pop up for two users that are work from home over softvpn.. granted that could just be a fluke with as many users as we have it's peanuts. and it didn't cause a single issue anyway aside from freak the users out so I heard from the technicians. they got some franktic calls. and thought they'd be pissed at them.

My thing is we have shitty USB devices that may become incompatible. That's my only real worry. Things like wireless AV Transmitters, Scanners, etc.

Does this apply even if you uninstalled KB 2952664 + KB 3035583?

@scottalanmiller said:

@wirestyle22 said:

@Mike-Davis said:

@JaredBusch said:

That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug

He means a heater in the camera enclosure.

WELP. I took a chance boys.

I don't have to typically deal with harsh winters even though we were hit with a sizable blizzard this year in NJ.

@scottalanmiller said:

@BRRABill said:

Downside?
a-local data might get corrupted with a Cryto-type variant

Which would propagate to the online and encrypt that too. If you want protection from that, you need a decoupled backup with file level restores. You either have to do that before you sync (versioning locally) or do it with the backup mechanism remotely (backup versioning.)

I was just about to say this

@Mike-Davis said:

@JaredBusch said:

That is just a silly thing to say. PoE and PoE+ require, per the IEEE standard, category 5, but is still allowed to be ran on category 3 for lower wattage workloads.

I haven't installed many PoE+ cameras and have only had those running less than a year. Do you have a number of PoE+ cameras running on CAT5? Longer runs? I'm wondering why the camera company I was dealing made such a big deal about 23 guage CAT6 for their cameras. Maybe because it had a heater?

You mean a heater as in a heating unit? I guess? A quality cat5e cable will tolerate temperatures from -4 to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. Keep in mind I run a lot of cabling for my company but I am by no means a cabling guru. Maybe they know something I don't. shrug

@coliver said:

@johnhooks said:

@coliver said:

@johnhooks said:

@coliver said:

@johnhooks said:

@coliver said:

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@Minion-Queen said:

Scott also used an Android back when it wasn't stable.

Not according to the Android users at the time that claimed it was rock solid and never had issues but could never produce a working example of it for me. They made the same claims that people do today.

I have six Android devices right now, totally unstable, all up to date.

You're talking about your cheap $50 Amazon Fires?

Uggh, I bought a Fire Stick... I can't get the audio and video to sync. I've got to return it and get Roku or something else.

I love my Roku. I have 2 Chromecasts also. I was thinking about maybe a Nexus Player but I need to research some more.

We have two Chromecasts but my wife doesn't like having to get her iPad to watch shows. I also have a Roku stick and while it works the interface is sluggish and I need to hard reset it a few times a week.

The Roku stick is slow. We have a Roku 2 and it's still chugging a long. The new Roku 4 looks nice, but not sure if it's worth $120.

I like the idea of the sticks, small and out of the way. I don't have to have set top box dangling from my wall mounted TVs. The only one I don't have an issue with is the Chromecast... but again you need an external device to cast to it so that doesn't work all the time.

I send stuff from my Chromebook a lot so I don't really notice it I guess. You can also cast your whole screen with your Chromebook which is nice.

Yep, and from a normal computer. They also recently added the ability to cast HTML5 video which is really nice. I don't mind it I always have my phone on me... but my wife doesn't and feels like it is just an extra step to watching the shows she wants.

Yeah. I'm actually using this with a few of our projectors to reduce our cabling requirements in hotels for events. It's pretty great.

Android has always been clunky and poorly optimized imho. Apple has it's pitfalls too but they are way more infrequent (based on my personal experience only). This kind of reminds me of my friends opinion of Western Digital hard drives though. He think they are amazing because he has never had any failures. Meanwhile the most recent reports have them at a much higher failure rate than what he claims.

I have a Roku 3 and I have to reset it maybe once every 4-5 months. It has outperformed any similar device that I have tested by leaps and bounds. This includes Fire, Chromecast, Apple TV and a Raspberry Pi 2. I couldn't recommend it more. It's a great device.

@DustinB3403 said:

I'm scream-typing into my keyboard at a Small business that wants to virtualize on the free version of ESXi! The OP has no backup solution in place and wants to buy a NAS for file shares. With 4 drives in the NAS, rather then using a cost effective server from xByte, and put the savings into a NAS for a backup appliance

! God !

There's sympathy, empathy and also mimithy. Mimithy is where you adopt a person's feelings as your own. I'm scream-typing right now for this reason only. There is no benefit to this action for anyone, least of all me.