Is there anyone out there using OV non-company wide with spread payments?
If so, I am trying to find out if I should purchase all licenses that I think I MAY need upfront?
If I can add to my license (additional CAL's or Server License), how is it calculated if it is during middle of the license year?
@Dashrender said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
@pmoncho said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
@PhlipElder said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
Looking long term, an Open Value Agreement pays for itself in the third renewal so years ten, eleven, and twelve all things being equal.
Thanks for the confirmation. I was running some numbers this weekend, but I was just using MS's site and the numbers only went to year 6. I speculated that OV was better past year 9 and on.
SA is required or O365 E3 and up (I think) for Office to run in a RDS setup.
We currently use RDS for an LOB app only.
Though, in typing that, I'm left working about on prem servers. I just can't see those going away in the next 20 years. So there will likely be some form of OV, etc to cover those. And hell, if they are going to cover servers, it's really not that much more to just leave the desktops in there too. /sigh.
I'm thinking MS might flip the mobility rights. You purchase through Azure and then have mobility to use a single on-premise DC or DR.
@PhlipElder said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
Looking long term, an Open Value Agreement pays for itself in the third renewal so years ten, eleven, and twelve all things being equal.
Thanks for the confirmation. I was running some numbers this weekend, but I was just using MS's site and the numbers only went to year 6. I speculated that OV was better past year 9 and on.
SA is required or O365 E3 and up (I think) for Office to run in a RDS setup.
We currently use RDS for an LOB app only.
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
My experience is that SA is basically a foregone conclusion. My rule is "if you don't want SA, then you should rethink having Windows."
That I totally get that which is why I moved a few process over to Linux and will be trying to move a few more as I am able to.
@scottalanmiller said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
@pmoncho said in Windows Server Upgrade - MS Retail, Open, Open Value or Open Value Subscription:
A. Buying outright without SA is cheapest but not the best value.
I typically word that as "not cheapest" to avoid confusion. I think I know what you mean, but in theory best value and cheapest should often overlap. Not the cheapest "up front", but SA is generally the cheapest overall.
Cheapest is not the right word. We can change it to lowest cost and based on the numbers I have found buying outright without upgrading till EOL is the lowest cost. Not the best value though.
This year I will be upgrading our 7 Windows VM's from 2K8 R2 as it is EOL in January 2020. I am trying to figure out the best route to take with regards MS licensing programs.
I found Microsoft's License Advisor and was wondering if those prices are typical? I am guessing they are
SMB with <70 users (half include clients who use RDS). I have whittled my way down to 7 Windows VM's (2 DC's, 2 RDS hosts, SQL server, Email, and File). In addition, I have two 2012 servers for special purposes but will upgrade one and remove the other at a later date.
We normally buy outright and skip an OS version but didn't make the move to 2016 for certain reason (unrelated to IT).
In the small spreadsheet I started this morning, I discovered the following;
A. Buying outright without SA is cheapest but not the best value.
B. Open with SA seems more seems to be more expensive over all in the cost vs value.
C. Open Value is higher cost but seems to have the best possible value (Spread payments).
D. Open Value Sub seems best Cost vs Value if perpetually staying on Windows
The extra values that SA brings is mobility and Upgrades.
I am wondering what the other people's experiences have discovered about which program provides the best value vs cost?
On KB4480960, MS has a link to a patch in the Windows Update Catalog - KB4487345
I reinstalled the update along with the patch and my Windows 7 machine no longer has the issue (so far at this point).
None of the fixes worked for me except the patch.
@StuartJordan said in Microsoft's killer Windows 7 patch: Breaks networking, flags legit PCs as 'Not genuine':
Microsoft and their updates in the last few years..
In actuality, I have had very few issues with updates. Maybe I am darn lucky. I do try to keep my servers limited to simple roles so limit possible issues.
Still have one windows 7 machine here and had issues. Removed update and all was fine.
A client has 2K8 R2 server which had issues with update also. Affected local users and also RDP users. Removed update and all is well.
Tried using the Reg Key but did not work in either situation. Also, all users, whether Admin or local accounts had issues.
You can use Loopback Processing also.
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askds/2013/02/08/circle-back-to-loopback/
@DustinB3403 said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:
@pmoncho no because there is a usable limit that is allowed under the license.
So they aren't saying "go ahead do whatever you want".
Makes much more sense now.
@Obsolesce said in Correct license for a Win 10 Veeam backup server on Type-1 Hypervisor:
Straight from the license.rtf in Windows 10:
Doesn't the portion you highlighted make every win 10 PC that shares a printer or file share illegal?
I could be wrong but "sharing" makes it a server, No?
Also, if so, isn't Microsoft knowingly telling users to violate its EULA by putting in documentation on how to share pieces of its OS to other users?
I installed generic instance of MC without secure install and with NeDB.
It still doesn't update properly but running it manually like you did, it did install the greenlock and le-acme-core.
Are you saying you just installed greenlock on its own or ran the letsencrypt part on its own?
I would get the following after enabling the letsencrypt setting.
This is from syslog.
Jan 4 16:12:42 host_mesh1 systemd[1]: Stopping MeshCentral Server...
Jan 4 16:12:42 host_mesh1 systemd[1]: Stopped MeshCentral Server.
Jan 4 16:12:49 host_mesh1 systemd[1]: Started MeshCentral Server.
Jan 4 16:12:50 host_mesh1 node[10024]: Installing greenlock...
Jan 4 16:12:51 host_mesh1 node[10024]: ERROR: Unable to install missing package
'greenlock', make sure npm is installed.
Jan 4 16:13:02 host_mesh1 systemd[1]: meshcentral.service: Service RestartSec=1
0s expired, scheduling restart.
Jan 4 16:13:02 host_mesh1 systemd[1]: meshcentral.service: Scheduled restart jo
b, restart counter is at 1.
Jan 4 16:13:02 host_mesh1 systemd[1]: Stopped MeshCentral Server.
I'm contemplating installing again without the increased security or MongoDB and go from there.
Well, I cannot figure out how to update and I tried to get Let's Encrypt setup but that is blowing up with errors also.
May not be totally shot just delayed. 
I was hoping I could (finally) contribute one but that is now shot to shit!
I've been looking through the Installers and User Guide's and poking around inside a few files to see if I can find the version. No luck yet.
How do I find the current version from the prompt?