My choice of Potato Juice: Russian, Polish, Ukrainian, or a few other Slavic sourced bottles. Mmmm delicious.

@DustinB3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

@PhlipElder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

Put-downs have never been a way to get anything.

Really because Trump won the 2016 with put downs, not that it's continued to work

Tu Quoque

@DustinB3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

@PhlipElder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

I find that the ad hominem attacks speak more to the proponents of wearing a mask than those that refuse to wear one.

EDIT: Using shame to elicit a particular response is what? Effective

#FAIL

Having spent 3-4 years studying psychology before getting into IT this is just dumb.

Gram used to say: You get further with honey than vinegar.

Put-downs have never been a way to get anything.

I find that the ad hominem attacks speak more to the proponents of wearing a mask than those that refuse to wear one.

EDIT: Using shame to elicit a particular response is what? ___________

@gjacobse said in Parental Control options: AD, LDAP, piHole, Other:

Was asks recently about what options he could look at to try to keep his kids on task with the up coming school year and the high likelihood of having to contin he with non-traditional instruction, ie: classes at home.

His first though was of course some kind of Domain; costly and hardly worth setting up for a maximum of five computers.

Another option that came up was LDAP - which I will admit I dont have much experience with.

And then there is piHole, knowing that this is a great tool to blacklist ads, and harmful sights, but could likely be a simple solution.

He’s recently admitted that one of the kids has managed to hack a cell phone to by-pass some or many of the parental settings that had been set.

Costs are of course a factor ,...

We have a domain here at home. But then, I'm in the industry.

We also have a SonicWALL TZ300 set up with security and site monitoring.

DC DNS is set to check OpenDNS (we have a subscription). Root Hints are disabled.

DC provides DNS for the home network. Firewall is set to allow TCP/UDP 53 from the DC only (this is default for client setups anyway).

This catches about 90% of everything that could possible. OpenDNS helps with the search stuff too. It filters out stuff they should be seeing.

We have Microsoft Family set up on all of the kid's machines.

NOTE: Tech companies have deemed themselves owners of our kids. How? When the kid turns 13 they can turn off monitoring. I was right p*ssed off when I figured that out as I wasn't getting parental reports for my eldest son. That changed RPQ.

Use Microsoft Parental Monitoring on all Windows devices. It is helpful though not perfect. We schedule device usage time.

RULE: No. Devices. In. The. Bedroom. PERIOD
RULE: All device work must be done such that the screens face public.
RULE: Devices are Tools not Toys (No gaming here. Go outside, Build something, Clean something)

Note: We home school. Our main goal was, and is, to give our kids the best d*mned education that we can versus the cookie cutter factory schools that teach closet Marxism/Socialism here. Eldest daughter is an amazing artist at 16, 13yo son is into REVIT, Fusion 360, SolidWorks, stress engineering and more, while our youngest just is. They are turning out great.

@WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
Anyone ever hear of this?

Yup. Many a time.

Freezer bag, remove as much air as possible using a straw, deep freeze for 24 hours.

Use same techniques as liquid nitrogen cooling (overclocking) to keep the drive from perspiring, and go.

Depending on how bad things are, we can get 5 minutes to 30 minutes before it outright dies.

We get a mandatory recovery list from the client so that we can head straight to the important stuff to grab.

@AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

So our Dish network is down and not sure when it will go back. We are outside US, our TV system diagram is like this --- DISH > Encoder (HDMI to IP) > Enseo System/IP network > STB > TV. SInce our source channel Dish is down, can i use roku as source channel? is there a roku channel that continuously going to play movies?

We cut the cord over a decade ago.

Just drop it.

Cache a set of Blu-Ray movies and series that are worth watching.

Put the money saved away.

Take a vacation with it.

@WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

So let me start this off by saying if I hadn't listened to my boss first thing this morning, this mistake wouldn't have happened. but god forbid he say he was wrong.

Edit I took ownership of the fact that I had Moved to fast and didn't verify what I was doing, before formatting the drive- The plan changed and I made the mistake, trying to resolve the issue.

Okay: so, Went and picked up a PC from a customer: the plan as it was said to me was

• Pick up PC

*Bring back to office, put 2 new HDD's in and pull over the information after we image it.

*take it back and install it at the site again.

So, what actually happened?

Brought the PC back, boss told me to stop, he has an idea.
Reformat one of the Hard drives we have here, on that PC and then have the FakeRAID we use rebuild the information, then test the PC to run a terminal and verify it works properly.

So I added the other drive to the PC. Little did I know (nor did I check) the Optical drive was set to boot first (which is where I added this Drive to the PC ). It came up as C: and the PC I wanted to load as C: loaded as D:

so when I opened cmd and typed in
format d: and pressed enter, I wiped all of the customer data from the Drives..

it wasnt until I noticed a program we don't use on aloha PC's was when I realized what I had done.

My Tuesday Fuck up in a nutshell. -- Let's all take a moment to give me shit for this colossal screw up.

we already downloaded a Software to Recover lost partitions and I have that running right now .

BTW, the one time where I made an assumption after setting up a new laptop for the lead partner at one of our client accounting firms, I found out they were storing data in places they should not have been.

Their profile and key data folders were transferred but apparently not the ones where they kept their data. #SMH

The old system had already been repurposed so no chance of getting much of anything off the spindle in it.

I spent a good half an hour to an hour against the outside back wall of the shop breathing. Just breathing. Slowly.

Lesson learned.

We image everything. Absolutely everything before we touch it.

We use ShadowProtect on a dedicated system we call the Data Mule that also has GDB and all of our other utilities such as DoD Erasure.

We fee in the backup time to everything we do.

EDIT: They realized that it was plain dumb to not be copying that data up to the server once in a while so that it did get backed up. If the spindle had died, they would have been in the same position.

@WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

So let me start this off by saying if I hadn't listened to my boss first thing this morning, this mistake wouldn't have happened. but god forbid he say he was wrong.

Edit I took ownership of the fact that I had Moved to fast and didn't verify what I was doing, before formatting the drive- The plan changed and I made the mistake, trying to resolve the issue.

Okay: so, Went and picked up a PC from a customer: the plan as it was said to me was

• Pick up PC

*Bring back to office, put 2 new HDD's in and pull over the information after we image it.

*take it back and install it at the site again.

So, what actually happened?

Brought the PC back, boss told me to stop, he has an idea.
Reformat one of the Hard drives we have here, on that PC and then have the FakeRAID we use rebuild the information, then test the PC to run a terminal and verify it works properly.

So I added the other drive to the PC. Little did I know (nor did I check) the Optical drive was set to boot first (which is where I added this Drive to the PC ). It came up as C: and the PC I wanted to load as C: loaded as D:

so when I opened cmd and typed in
format d: and pressed enter, I wiped all of the customer data from the Drives..

it wasnt until I noticed a program we don't use on aloha PC's was when I realized what I had done.

My Tuesday Fuck up in a nutshell. -- Let's all take a moment to give me shit for this colossal screw up.

we already downloaded a Software to Recover lost partitions and I have that running right now .

GetDATABack by www.runtime.org has saved me from many a pickle both self-induced and otherwise.

@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

That's just south of Edmonton the major city close to us.

@scottalanmiller said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@Dashrender said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@Obsolesce said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@manxam said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder : Why did you stop deploying RAID 10? It's about the most fault tolerant and performance oriented RAID config one can get for hardware RAID.

Nope.

Had a virtualization host RAID 10 drive, of six, die.

I popped by, did a hot swap of the dead drive, rebuild started, and I sat for a coffee with the on-site IT person.

About 5 minutes into that coffee we heard a BEEP, BEEP-BEEP, and then nothing. It was sitting at the RAID POST prompt indicating failed array and no POST.

It's pair had died too.

I'll stick with RAID 6 thank you very much. We'd still have had the server.

We ended up installing a fresh OS, setting things up, and recovering from backup (ShadowProtect) after flattening and setting up the array again.

You can't say that. There's way more work being done on the drives with a RAID6, maybe then 3 or 4 drives would have went out close together instead of just two. If you think a RAID10 was the cause of 2 drives dieing, then holy shit a RAID 6 woulda killed 3+.

My guesses are one or more of the folowing:

• a bad batch of drives
• wrong drives
• drives used past their warranty/expectancy or whatever
• lack of monitoring

And by the way, a RAID 10 isn't really a "rebuild". It's not a very disk intensive thing like it is with a RAID 6.

Please re-read what I wrote and stop interpreting it.

I'm curious where he got it wrong? RAID 10's are considered ridiculously reliable. The most likely reason for a failure of two drives in a RAID 10 is a single batch of drives - so they all or several reach failure at the same time.

A drive is a drive. It's a piece of machinery prone to failure just like any other. Period.

During the rebuild, it's partner does indeed get stressed as it handles both regular work and the read calls for its partner to write to. So, bunk on that.

Statiatically RAID 10 is reliable to an absurd degree. Even with drive technology generations old. Its so statistically reliable its incalculable.

Guess my experience kinda blows that assumption out of the water eh?

@Dashrender said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@Obsolesce said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@manxam said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder : Why did you stop deploying RAID 10? It's about the most fault tolerant and performance oriented RAID config one can get for hardware RAID.

Nope.

Had a virtualization host RAID 10 drive, of six, die.

I popped by, did a hot swap of the dead drive, rebuild started, and I sat for a coffee with the on-site IT person.

About 5 minutes into that coffee we heard a BEEP, BEEP-BEEP, and then nothing. It was sitting at the RAID POST prompt indicating failed array and no POST.

It's pair had died too.

I'll stick with RAID 6 thank you very much. We'd still have had the server.

We ended up installing a fresh OS, setting things up, and recovering from backup (ShadowProtect) after flattening and setting up the array again.

You can't say that. There's way more work being done on the drives with a RAID6, maybe then 3 or 4 drives would have went out close together instead of just two. If you think a RAID10 was the cause of 2 drives dieing, then holy shit a RAID 6 woulda killed 3+.

My guesses are one or more of the folowing:

• a bad batch of drives
• wrong drives
• drives used past their warranty/expectancy or whatever
• lack of monitoring

And by the way, a RAID 10 isn't really a "rebuild". It's not a very disk intensive thing like it is with a RAID 6.

Please re-read what I wrote and stop interpreting it.

I'm curious where he got it wrong? RAID 10's are considered ridiculously reliable. The most likely reason for a failure of two drives in a RAID 10 is a single batch of drives - so they all or several reach failure at the same time.

A drive is a drive. It's a piece of machinery prone to failure just like any other. Period.

During the rebuild, it's partner does indeed get stressed as it handles both regular work and the read calls for its partner to write to. So, bunk on that.

@Obsolesce said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@manxam said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder : Why did you stop deploying RAID 10? It's about the most fault tolerant and performance oriented RAID config one can get for hardware RAID.

Nope.

Had a virtualization host RAID 10 drive, of six, die.

I popped by, did a hot swap of the dead drive, rebuild started, and I sat for a coffee with the on-site IT person.

About 5 minutes into that coffee we heard a BEEP, BEEP-BEEP, and then nothing. It was sitting at the RAID POST prompt indicating failed array and no POST.

It's pair had died too.

I'll stick with RAID 6 thank you very much. We'd still have had the server.

We ended up installing a fresh OS, setting things up, and recovering from backup (ShadowProtect) after flattening and setting up the array again.

You can't say that. There's way more work being done on the drives with a RAID6, maybe then 3 or 4 drives would have went out close together instead of just two. If you think a RAID10 was the cause of 2 drives dieing, then holy shit a RAID 6 woulda killed 3+.

My guesses are one or more of the folowing:

• a bad batch of drives
• wrong drives
• drives used past their warranty/expectancy or whatever
• lack of monitoring

And by the way, a RAID 10 isn't really a "rebuild". It's not a very disk intensive thing like it is with a RAID 6.

Please re-read what I wrote and stop interpreting it.

@manxam said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder : Why did you stop deploying RAID 10? It's about the most fault tolerant and performance oriented RAID config one can get for hardware RAID.

Nope.

Had a virtualization host RAID 10 drive, of six, die.

I popped by, did a hot swap of the dead drive, rebuild started, and I sat for a coffee with the on-site IT person.

About 5 minutes into that coffee we heard a BEEP, BEEP-BEEP, and then nothing. It was sitting at the RAID POST prompt indicating failed array and no POST.

It's pair had died too.

I'll stick with RAID 6 thank you very much. We'd still have had the server.

We ended up installing a fresh OS, setting things up, and recovering from backup (ShadowProtect) after flattening and setting up the array again.

@openit said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

@PhlipElder said in How can we recover data from Hard Drives were on RAID 10 without controller?:

GetDataBack with RAID Reconstructor is a utility set we've used to recover data from a set of drives that were originally in a NAS box.

Don't see any option for RAID 10
https://www.runtime.org/raid.htm

Indeed.

We stopped deploying RAID 10 so long ago that I'd forgotten that sorry.

NAS Recovery only does RAID 5 too.

Ugh

GetDataBack with RAID Reconstructor is a utility set we've used to recover data from a set of drives that were originally in a NAS box.

@Danp Wouldn't get my business.

@Grey said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

@PhlipElder said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

@Grey said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

Bing put this image up today, from Greece, and I am confused as to how the rocks are so squared. Did people do that? Is it natural?

Shale = ~100% carbon.

Yes, it breaks that way due the way the carbon molecules bind to each other in a square grid.

Reeealy? That's kind of awesome. I'm going to have to see it in person some day, just like Giant's Causeway is on my list.

We have plenty of shale on our property here in Alberta and in the Rockies.

When I was going through the Kentucky Blue Ridge Mountains many years back there was red and green shale. It was like driving in Christmas Land or something.

Go to a flooring specialist. Most will have various shale tiles . Part of our basement is tiled in shale though I have no idea from where as the previous owners had it done.

@Grey said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

Bing put this image up today, from Greece, and I am confused as to how the rocks are so squared. Did people do that? Is it natural?

Shale = ~100% carbon.

Yes, it breaks that way due the way the carbon molecules bind to each other in a square grid.