@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

Why would you get a car working in IT? When do you need to drive anywhere? I don't even need a car to drive to work, let alone anywhere else.

In Israel, it was a standard benefit for all IT related employees. The idea was that anything in IT is considered a creative job, so if you suddenly have a great idea in the middle of the night, you just drive to the office and get to work on it (no remote jobs back in the 90s). The perk stuck around until it got taxed out of existence in 2007-2010-ish.

I've worked a few MSP jobs in the UK and they usually say you have to use your own car. They do pay for petrol though, so if you have a good efficient car you can make some cash on it.

Why would a car come up? Is it because they were doing bench work? In the US, often you get a company car if you are a bench tech.

No. You had to do regular site visits to see the clients and look at what they wanted you to look at, or do regular face to face 'im doing stuff' type work. All things that could be done remote, but just their business model.

There are many companies that work this way - and those same companies have an incredible amount of waste. There is likely very little actual value in those visits other than glad-handing. Now, if you're charging those clients full rate for all the drive time and glad-handing, more power to ya.

Low cost account managers do this, high cost IT pros would need to be doing IT work. If IT is acting as account managers you likely have major problems. One in that you can't hire effectively, two in that you have to pay really high rates for no work being done, three that you have a skill mismatch as IT people are rarely good account people or vice versa.

This was not account manager work. Don't know why that was their business was model, but it was. For example, you could be sent to a client's office to reconfigure a server, or bring down exchange for maintenance, or to test backups... All things that could be done remote.

Account managers actually worked remotely and never visited the clients. They would have a call about what needs doing g over the next year, their goals etc then the IT projects would be assigned and we would go and visit.

Not my decision. Just was what they wanted.

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing

In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.

If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.

In the US, one is called being fired and one being laid off. Laid off = made redundant.

Yep, here being laid off will see you get redundancy pay, being fired wont (unless you have a special contract).

In the US, if you are laid off (made redundant) you can apply for unemployment benefits. This is a state level thing, all companies that have employees must pay into the unemployment benefit plan. this pool of money is used to help keep people afloat while they look for new work.
you can even apply to get this if fired or you quit, but it changes how long until you become eligible for those benefits.

Here, its all by the company by law, not related to the the government paying anything. Official wording:

"You'll normally be entitled to statutory redundancy pay if you're an employee and you've been working for your current employer for 2 years or more. You'll get: half a week's pay for each full year you were under 22. one week's pay for each full year you were 22 or older, but under 41"

What happens if the company goes under and they aren't around to pay?

oh - well over there - there are probably some protections that magically pull money from somewhere to pay them.

Sort of. If a company goes under and is bankrupt, assets the company owned are sold and the sum is put towards all employee redundancy pay. Say 10,000 people lose their jobs, and assets only add up to half the redundancy cost... That's paid, and tough luck on the rest.

As far as I gather the employee redundancy pay comes first, then if anything is left after that other costs such as company loans or money owed to other companies is paid.

If no assets at all to sell, employee is screwed. Hope they have redundancy insurance.

It's common for US companies to go under with zero assets, though. So people aren't protected in the UK? That's nuts.

Sounds way less socialist than the US

I think of the company has no assets to sell, you are pretty much screwed here. You sign in whilst looking for a new job, which provides something like £50 a week. So not much.

If you have redundancy insurance your better off. But that's down to the individual mostly.

@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing

In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.

If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.

In the US, one is called being fired and one being laid off. Laid off = made redundant.

Yep, here being laid off will see you get redundancy pay, being fired wont (unless you have a special contract).

In the US, if you are laid off (made redundant) you can apply for unemployment benefits. This is a state level thing, all companies that have employees must pay into the unemployment benefit plan. this pool of money is used to help keep people afloat while they look for new work.
you can even apply to get this if fired or you quit, but it changes how long until you become eligible for those benefits.

Here, its all by the company by law, not related to the the government paying anything. Official wording:

"You'll normally be entitled to statutory redundancy pay if you're an employee and you've been working for your current employer for 2 years or more. You'll get: half a week's pay for each full year you were under 22. one week's pay for each full year you were 22 or older, but under 41"

What happens if the company goes under and they aren't around to pay?

oh - well over there - there are probably some protections that magically pull money from somewhere to pay them.

Sort of. If a company goes under and is bankrupt, assets the company owned are sold and the sum is put towards all employee redundancy pay. Say 10,000 people lose their jobs, and assets only add up to half the redundancy cost... That's paid, and tough luck on the rest.

As far as I gather the employee redundancy pay comes first, then if anything is left after that other costs such as company loans or money owed to other companies is paid.

If no assets at all to sell, employee is screwed. Hope they have redundancy insurance.

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

Why would you get a car working in IT? When do you need to drive anywhere? I don't even need a car to drive to work, let alone anywhere else.

In Israel, it was a standard benefit for all IT related employees. The idea was that anything in IT is considered a creative job, so if you suddenly have a great idea in the middle of the night, you just drive to the office and get to work on it (no remote jobs back in the 90s). The perk stuck around until it got taxed out of existence in 2007-2010-ish.

I've worked a few MSP jobs in the UK and they usually say you have to use your own car. They do pay for petrol though, so if you have a good efficient car you can make some cash on it.

Why would a car come up? Is it because they were doing bench work? In the US, often you get a company car if you are a bench tech.

No. You had to do regular site visits to see the clients and look at what they wanted you to look at, or do regular face to face 'im doing stuff' type work. All things that could be done remote, but just their business model.

@Dashrender said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing

In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.

If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.

In the US, one is called being fired and one being laid off. Laid off = made redundant.

Yep, here being laid off will see you get redundancy pay, being fired wont (unless you have a special contract).

In the US, if you are laid off (made redundant) you can apply for unemployment benefits. This is a state level thing, all companies that have employees must pay into the unemployment benefit plan. this pool of money is used to help keep people afloat while they look for new work.
you can even apply to get this if fired or you quit, but it changes how long until you become eligible for those benefits.

Here, its all by the company by law, not related to the the government paying anything. Official wording:

"You'll normally be entitled to statutory redundancy pay if you're an employee and you've been working for your current employer for 2 years or more. You'll get: half a week's pay for each full year you were under 22. one week's pay for each full year you were 22 or older, but under 41"

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

Why would you get a car working in IT? When do you need to drive anywhere? I don't even need a car to drive to work, let alone anywhere else.

In Israel, it was a standard benefit for all IT related employees. The idea was that anything in IT is considered a creative job, so if you suddenly have a great idea in the middle of the night, you just drive to the office and get to work on it (no remote jobs back in the 90s). The perk stuck around until it got taxed out of existence in 2007-2010-ish.

I've worked a few MSP jobs in the UK and they usually say you have to use your own car. They do pay for petrol though, so if you have a good efficient car you can make some cash on it.

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing

In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.

If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.

In the US, one is called being fired and one being laid off. Laid off = made redundant.

Yep, here being laid off will see you get redundancy pay, being fired wont (unless you have a special contract).

@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@WLS-ITGuy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

Do you generally only give 2 weeks notice in the US?

Depends on the state. Wisconsin is a "hire at will" state. Technically no notice is needed but it is ideal to give 2 weeks.

Wow. That must make succession planning a nightmare. I have to give 3 months notice, which is the norm in the UK.

Not really, since you have to have already planned for disasters like getting hit by a bus, there should be no need for a succession plan. How would your company handle you getting sick or something? Same thing, US companies are ready for that. So people quitting isn't a real fear to any functional company. It's not ideal, but not a serious risk.

Most US companies demand that you not even come into work for the last two weeks because you are no longer someone that they want to trust or invest in. In banking, for example, you are generally done (but paid) from the moment you give notice. You give notice and security escorts you to your desk to clean it out and to the door to go home, that's it. You don't get one minute at your computer again.

Most of the time you have a 1 - 3 month notice in the UK. But often if you ask you'll be allowed to go early, and if not, you can just leave early anyway and cut ties - just expect some sort of ramifications. Its in the contract but wont really matter if met.

@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

What @Jimmy9008 posted and you @dyasny are used to seeing are "Contract Employees" in the US.

You're hired to work <usually some set length of time> and will be paid X with these benefits and these Exit options.

A normal hire in the US is, you're hired Fulltime/Parttime at X/hour(or salary) and work until you either quit or are terminated.

I don't think we have that in the UK. I guess zero hour contracts perhaps, but even then it is still slightly different. Every contract I have ever seen (even delivery driver for a Pizza joint) are all "Contract Employees" as you put it.

@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing

In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.

If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.

@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:

another

Usually in the UK its 1 - 3 months notice from the employee... but often the employer only has to give you a few weeks/a month.

Your mistake was trying to be nice. Learn from that. Next time, resign after finding a new role, tell them when you are going.

@coliver said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

a full power down of the VM

Which isn't out of the question... not really. Does this database need to be up 100% of the time?

Not 100% of the time. No.

But equally, daily downtime just for purposes of a backup is too frequent, even if only a few minutes. Its something we can plan for and will find a way. May be the case of just using the built in backup tool, and having documented rebuild process should the VM fail.

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@DustinB3403 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

I'm now ignoring this topic as I'm not able to handle this conversation today.

Good luck with whatever custom script devops setup you end up purchasing/building/hooking for.

Better than ignoring his corruption entirely and acting like he doesnt have a challenge to tackle and pushing a totally useless solution that requires him to change everything and just puts him back to square zero for no reason.

With a backup that cant be relied upon.

@DustinB3403 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@notverypunny said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 I don't know the specifics for HyperV, I know that the free Veeam product requires that a VMWare host be licensed to expose the backup API, I didn't think that the same principle applied for HyperV but could be mistaken.

It does not as there is no such thing as a Hyper-V license.

Doesn't Veeam Zip its self require a license to be able to use the scheduling feature? Its useless to me without that.

That would not be Veeam Zip if you do that. Veeam Zip is the free non-scheduled tool.

Thats what I thought. Any free tools I can look in to?

Windows Tasks Manager can call your script. It is literally that easy.

If the host is using powershell to get Veeam to perform the backup, were still in the position where the VM its self has a file open (or something) which is stopping the backup from being good...

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

Why no cluster? Not enough hardware?

I imagine that will be the end position. But, the decision is not under my control and as it stands its the single instance. We have the hardware though.

But your backup thought process is 100% dependent on there never being a cluster. So if thats a possibility you have to plan for it

That is correct. Will have a chat when the dev guy is in tomorrow to see where this is going.

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

Why no cluster? Not enough hardware?

I imagine that will be the end position. But, the decision is not under my control and as it stands its the single instance. We have the hardware though.

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

What command are you using to shut down Dgraph? And is this part of a cluster?

Not part of a cluster. Our development team are using this from the VM its self:

curl localhost:8080/admin/shutdown

That "should" bring it down.

I wonder if something else is using Badger.

Possibly. Our dev guy is back in tomorrow so will look in to this.

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@notverypunny said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

@Jimmy9008 I don't know the specifics for HyperV, I know that the free Veeam product requires that a VMWare host be licensed to expose the backup API, I didn't think that the same principle applied for HyperV but could be mistaken.

It does not as there is no such thing as a Hyper-V license.

Doesn't Veeam Zip its self require a license to be able to use the scheduling feature? Its useless to me without that.

That would not be Veeam Zip if you do that. Veeam Zip is the free non-scheduled tool.

Thats what I thought. Any free tools I can look in to?

Not that I know of. Nor will it make a difference. Its a false path. VM layer backups dont solve open file issues.

I thought that was the issue too, thats why I tested after shutting down the software using: curl localhost:8080/admin/shutdown

Must be something open then. I thought that the command would shut down the DGraph server, release all files... so then the image made by Veeam is good. But after trying it this just didnt work...

@scottalanmiller said in Free Veeam for Linux/Restore:

What command are you using to shut down Dgraph? And is this part of a cluster?

Not part of a cluster. Our development team are using this from the VM its self:

curl localhost:8080/admin/shutdown