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@pete-s +1 on the patch panels and the catV back to main switch for low cost budget solution.

@stacksofplates Ah yes, Ergodox. Massdrop? Getting stuff off pinkies and onto thumbs is a big win. Alas, I don't have such a rig myself. Fairly pricey, iirc, no?

@pete-s said in Ergonomic Keyboard:

I don't believe there is any data that supports that assumption.

Plenty. It is called empirical evidence collected by me over decades of keyboarding. This is not rocket science. Get a keyboard. Type on it for a few months. Get a different one. Compare and contrast. Wash, rinse repeat. If you're going to spend anywhere near as many hours per day behind a computer as I over the years, it behooves one to make an investment in their workstation. And I am not talking about the latest and greatest Ryzen's. But you've got to do this consciously. Try to find the sweet spot in the switch. What were the designers thinking? For me, the arrival shock of bottoming out seems to aggravate my Dupuytrens. Using Cherry MX mechanical switches helps me be more aware of my keyboarding technique and that greater awareness seems to translate into the real world as greater periods between surgeries.

Your mileage may vary. I was responding to a specific query from the OP. Then the rest of y'all macho types decided to dog pile on. But trouble is that yer' wrong. And right. Because the key is not whether something is branded as ergo or not but rather underlying causes. And if some gizmo like a better chair, monitor riser, foot riser, vertical mouse, mech keyboard provides even perceived benefits by the users? Hmm...who's to say whether that is effective or not, eh? Geeze, Louise! IT geeks make this huge investment in "professional development" every day just trying to keep minimally abreast. Make some investment in your physical well being and set up a decent office space. It's not that hard. Nor costly.

Be all that as it may.... I would posit that the biggest win for a mech keyboard is the typing experience itself. They just feel nicer. And I make lots less errors. In no small part, no doubt, because I am used to that sweet activation spot on these cherry browns. Scissor switches common on laptops are okay. Better than rubber domes. But still need to bottom out to activate. Cherry MX, Buckling Spring, Scissor, Rubber Dome, Topre Hybrid. Use whatever feels best. Who cares if the rig is $20 or $200? It does not matter over the decade you'll be using it. Write it off in three.

@scottalanmiller Yes. This I know. But this isn't bare metal but rather SmartOS hypervisor in a Triton datacenter. So I presume all is atop ZFS. I never delved deeper so honestly do not know.

@pete-s Interesting that DAS is so anti ergo when they benefit from a faction of the market looking for Cherry MX switch'ed boards. Which, off course, are, and have been, DAS's bread, butter, and jam.

So we have all these feelings being summarized. Blah, bleah. Feeling Madame? I know not feelings. Have you any data? If what you have works great for you then that is great for you. That does not mean that your singular experience extends to the universal.

As mentioned above, everything is connected to everything else. So after your done making excuses and have your workspace set up at least half way decently, worked on minimizing PEBKAC related, then these non commodity keyboards have their utilities.

I have used, but do not use as daily driver, tented Goldtouch keyboards. Prevention? Meh! This is for somebody who's gone a bit past that and lookin' to mitigate to some extent. And therein I've had favorable reports from carpel tunnel sufferers.

Myself, am a skinny guy so straight keyboard works for me. Ten keyless and Otaku, if you please. The switch is the distinguishing factor. Of course, becoming aware of and adapting your key strokes themselves to mechanical switches requires self awareness. And some practice. Practice to unlearn the "bottoming out" that is fact of life for a rubber dome switch to fire. Which of course leads to "pounding" the keyboard. At least by some. Be especially aware during times of stress.

So switch comparatives like to cite activation forces. And maybe switch travel as well if you are lucky. Ergo marketeers will push those low activation key switch as big 'feature'. And maybe they are for some.

But for me.. it is more about "arrival shock". And a with a good MX switch and some practice you can pretty much all but eliminate this one since the switch provides tactile feedback on activation and does not require bottoming out to fire. Seems to be the sweet spot for me and my particular issues.

Edit: Fortunately, the engineering of rubber dome switches themselves provides a cushion for arrival shock. But rubber dome switches are "mushy" comparatively. Also, if you switch to an MX based board do be wary of bottoming out cuz that rubber cushion is now absent.

@pattonb Well... I have been doing some testing recently.... I have a NodeBB instance that I need to migrate off CentOS-7. Reputedly, although mongodb dropped support for else but linsux, the freebsd mongodb port runs great. Cool. I have been watching and waiting with bated breath to test this out. Unfortunately, most all hosts hosting fbsd do so via kvm, wh/puts fbsd under the bus from the get go. Contrarily, fbsd's bhyve stuff is reportedly superior ... so.... now that I had access to latest and greatest fbsd-12-patchset I decided to put through the paces.

All was same, on minimally provisioned servers. Insanely minimal. But it is a kind of perverse stress test. VM's were courtesy MNX.io, g1.nano.

Conclusions: Shooting, as always, from the subjective hip:

1. MongoDB was consistently a tad bit faster on Debian 10.

2. MongoDB succeeded in crashing itself during one of the FreeBSD perf tests. I tried a bit of tuning, wh/helped a bit... but not enough and still crashed.

3. MongoDB dropped portability and has been coded Linuse only fore a while now. So not to be unexpected that would run best on Linux. So I'mma gonna' use Debian 10. Cuz I'mma not a fan of 'buntu, okay?

@scottalanmiller Hm... I'd thought of posting that up here but figured it'd be old news for you lassi it hounds... Good news for the battle for ROSS.

@scottalanmiller Ye' keep pokin' the bear and Imma' gonna' have to start posting up pics of my ultra high dollar, cost no object soho set up. But then I'd have to at least make a first pass at cleaning up my desk first so... there's that....

Yet, methinks, excellent for the "foss" community, eh?

@carnival-boy said in Ergonomic Keyboard:

I'm no expert but "Ergonomic Keyboard" has always seems a bit gimmicky to me. Is there genuine science behind the designs? There probably is.

I'm no expert either. I have, however, been incentivized to delve into this subject fairly deeply over the years. I'm just tossin' out some resources for whatever they may be worth to anyone else. I have my issues and system fairly well sussed out. There are no magic bullets cuz everything is connected to everything else, ya' dig? Hence, if nothing else, and something you, and everybody, can and should be doing - and it's even free:

1. Work on good posture and mind yer' angles.

Without addressing poor posture, workstation ergonomics, etc. all the fancy fangled input devices become moot.

@carnival-boy said in Ergonomic Keyboard:

But I'm a big fan of gel wrist rests. They're also great for whacking people over the head.

I suggest they may well serve you better at the latter than former.

@gjacobse said in Ergonomic Keyboard:

Add pressure. I have a bad bad habit of resting my fore arms on my desk, adding pressure along the nerve s from almost the elbow to palm.. not good.
I think a analogy is to think of a garden or fire hose. If there is a ‘kink’ water does flow well.

Spot on! All of those points are. Nicely done.

tl;dr??

Stay away from lappies and mobile devices cuz they're guaranteed to ruin yer' health!

I could expound on keyboards for hours but then I'd bore the crap outta' ya's! So instead I'll just point you to the dragon's lair of all things keyboard: GeekHack

P.S.; The Goldtouch keyboards do a very good job addressing the points listed by @gjacobse Tenting, for e.g., really helps out with carple tunnel sufferers. Or so I am told. Thankfully has not been one of my issues. The Goldtouch rigs use rubber dome switches - nice light 45g activation rubber dome's but still rubber domes - and after much empirical testing I have come to prefer mechanical switches. Cherry Brown MX's are my sweet spot. And yeah, I have a Topre board also. It is nice. Very smooth and refined. To quote The Matrix:

"Like wiping your ass with silk"....

P.P.S.; It is not just keyboards. Mind yer' mice and other inputs as well. I presently favor the Logitech MX Vertical. The buttons activate a bit light for my touch - still getting adapted - but they've really nailed it on the wrist angle and shaping. Evoluent also makes nice vertical mice.

@braswelljay May want to take a gander at a few more options. Lot's out there. For e.g. this puppy covers many bases:

https://www.goldtouch.com/ergonomic-keyboards/

Have mercy!

@eddiejennings How are you finding Ansible, eh? That is one I've yet to use. Need to.

@scottalanmiller Only the shadow knows...

Othherwise... not.

It's not just for breakfast anymore...

@pattonb Have mercy!

Heartell this 'chit is the schnizzle from those whose opines I respect. But never used it. So wtf do I know, eh?

WTF, over? Ye' be totally fails in the gittin' yer' groove on dept.....

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