@RojoLoco said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

@Dashrender said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

@scottalanmiller said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

Why do you want a GUI? What's the end goal?

I'm guessing his goal is to not have to learn CLI commands.

I'm the captain of that vessel... it's the 21st century, why in the hell would I restrict myself to needing to type letters at a computing system to make it go? Are we cavemen, dragging our knuckles toward the black screen with archaic green letters to type cryptic text commands when GUIs have existed for a couple of decades now? I thought we lived in the future.

No, you are still living in the past.

The future is not even staring at the screen, the future is write a piece of software-procedure once and being able to rebuild a system/correct errors/etc in a completely non-interactive way forever.

The future is being architect drinking mojito in a beach, not click-slaves in a cold rack room.

@RojoLoco said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

@scottalanmiller said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

@RojoLoco said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

@Dashrender said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

@scottalanmiller said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

Why do you want a GUI? What's the end goal?

I'm guessing his goal is to not have to learn CLI commands.

I'm the captain of that vessel... it's the 21st century, why in the hell would I restrict myself to needing to type letters at a computing system to make it go? Are we cavemen, dragging our knuckles toward the black screen with archaic green letters to type cryptic text commands when GUIs have existed for a couple of decades now? I thought we lived in the future.

GUI is the past, CMD is the future. GUI was an experiment in the 1990s and it went poorly. Microsoft has made it clear that even in the Windows world, GUI is legacy. And with DevOps, the drop off of GUI is rapid.

And yet in an SMB windows environment, I can accomplish literally everything I need to do and then some via GUI. Funny how that works, eh? Because the bottom line is not how you think I should do it, but how I actually accomplish daily, weekly, monthly tasks without CLI. GUIs work 110% for the stuff I've ever had to administer (insert SAM bashing everything I've ever done here to prove that all the world needs to use CLI all the time always), and the lack of possibility that a simple typo can ruin a day's work, I'll keep my GUI and continue having an easy, well paid job, thanks. Different strokes for different mafackas. In the immortal words of Peter Lorre, "you do it your way, and I'll do it mine".

I disagree. GUI is not "scriptable" in any way, so the only thing you can do is learning procedures and apply that point-and-click algorithm like a robot. I won't call it "do a sysadmin task", sorry.

In addition, there is a hard limit in what you can do in a defined amount of time because of the intrinsic click/wait ratio of your procedures (and of your brain, of course). Of course, there is also a limit in your minimum error ratio following the procedures, because even if you do only one error every 10k clicks, you will have 100 errors every million of clicks… I think that doing gui-based sysadministration require ~2k clicks per full working days.

You can throw all those limits if you simply script a procedure. The error ratio of a correct script is ZERO, and you can run it as fast as your machine (and not your brain-hand system) can. Machines today are VERY fast.
Scripted procedures are the building blocks used to build great services, and it's not an opinion or something that some of us say because we are all biased in certain way.

It's automation, baby!

Hi everybody, one of the company in which I work asked me for an attendance/time clock piece of software to track the work hours of their employees. Other than be reasonably simple and priced, the main requirement is that it can be work in conjunction with SAP B1; they want SAP to report about working hours etc.

Does any of you has ever used/needed a system like that? Thanks in advance for your answers!

@openit said in CentOS 7 File Server (samba). Do you know easy GUI to manage ?:

Hi All,

I required to run a file server to have IT stuff, ISO files repository for XenServer and few other requirements.

So, I was thinking of FreeNAS vs CentOS Samba server, I believe IT pros around here will suggest CentOS option, so I have shortlisted to CentOS.

This CentOS server is going to be run on XS 7.

Now, I am for GUI package to setup on CentOS 7 to manage easily, do you know one which is easier and stable ? I am not willing to play with Terminal as of now.

I know Webmin, not used much, I know it have Samba things to manage, but I was thinking of only File Server manager.

Thanks for suggestions

Don't get me wrong, but the thing really is… if can't understand an smb.conf file, maybe is better if you don't use SAMBA at all, because you won't be able to deal with any problem with that like reading the logs etc.

@scottalanmiller said in Finding the Best Open Source Email Solutions:

I am trying to track down the best of the open source email offerings and figure out which is good, which is bad, what is unique and why to choose one over another. So far, these are the known high end candidates of which I am aware.

• Zimbra
• Kopano
• Zentyal
• iRedMail

Does anyone have any input into what is good or bad, or any candidates that are missing from the list? I've not included some things like RoundCube which is just a client and not an email system. RoundCube could be used with any of these products, for example.

I can suggest Horde: https://www.horde.org . I've seen it used in PA environments, looks pretty solid.

@mlnews said in GoboLinux: Experimenting with a New Filesystem Hierarchy:

https://fosspost.org/2017/01/22/gobolinux-a-linux-distribution-with-new-filesystem-hierarchy/

There are many different Linux distributions out there. Thousands of them are designed to meet different purposes (no matter how small the difference from each one). Today, we would like to introduce GoboLinux for you.

GoboLinux is a special Linux distribution which is built from scratch. It offers an alternative filesystem hierarchy. To clarify this, we all know that the common Unix hierarchy includes directories like /usr, /bin, /etc.. But that’s not the case in GoboLinux. For example the filesystem directories here are:

• /System: The system files, binaries and kernel and placed here.
• /Programs: All programs are inserted in this directory. Each program has its own folder which contains its own settings, files and data. Multiple versions of the same program can be installed easily, because each version contains its own files sepearted from the other version.
• /Users: The home folders for the system users (root and all others) are listed here. It’s like /home in Unix hierarchy.
• /Data: The data folder contains information about packages and recipes needed by the system. It also includes the “Variable” folder. Which is actually /var.
• /Mount: Mounting directory if needed. Just like normal /mnt.

From the developers point of view1), this new hierarchy is a much better design for a filesystem. It keeps everything “categorized” which allows files to be preserved in these categories easily. To maintain the backwards compatibility with Unix hierarchy, a lot of symlinks are used to point to the directories on GoboLinux. For example if you run cd /etc it will take you to /System/Settings. Thus, there’s no need to modify the applications to work on the new way of categorizing these files......

I found traditional Unix hierarchy more confortable for interactive shell use, Mac os X is a pain with all that capital letters. Seems like a tribute to the "case sensitive".

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

Thanks @Francesco-Provino thats why I rely on the experts!

You're welcome!

Now I know I'm an "expert" in something :D.

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

This is a little above my pay grade, but what's the command to run the script?
I have copied the script to here: "curl -o /tmp/zerotierscript -s https://install.zerotier.com/ | bash"
I only found one mention of "$releasever", which I changed to "7"

Of course, "bash zerotierscript".

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

Do you have to open the ports on the firewall?

Uhm, no, as far as I remember.

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

I need to download the script on to the host, edit (per your instructions) & then run the script?
Is that correct?

Or, maybe, you can directly pass the script through sed, do the substitution and be done in even less time :D.

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

I need to download the script on to the host, edit (per your instructions) & then run the script?
Is that correct?

Exactly!

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

Now I'm getting this error:
http://download.zerotier.com/redhat/el/7-2.1511.el7.centos.2.10/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 - Not Found
Trying other mirror.

Now you have to edit the script as I told you, the same substitution you have done with the repos.

@Dashrender said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

@scottalanmiller said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

I'm getting a 404 for failed repo

Which repo? It is known that XS' repos don't work and you have to fix them before doing any software installs. If you have not fixed the repos, then it is the base repos, not ZeroTier, that is the issue. They need to be fixed before you proceed or ZT can't pull in its dependencies.

how wise it that really? to reinstate the repos?

No problem with that, you aren't gonna install XS updates through the centos package management system anyway. Just change $releaseversion with "7" in the repos files.

@FATeknollogee said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

@Francesco-Provino said in ZeroTier on XenServer 7.0 host:

I do, no problem at all.

Can you share how you installed it?
What version?

I installed it with the usual script on the zerotier page. There's a little caveat, you have to download the script and change the $releasever to "7", as with everything with XS7 centos dom0.

I do, no problem at all.

I've edited my precedent comments, I apologize for any eventual offense.

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!

(sarcasm boys)

That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are

What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.

You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.

Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!

Mosh?

This one. Best thing since sliced bread, as you Americans usually say!

Ah ha. I've not used that, I need to play around with it.

It can keep you ssh connection indefinitely open, under any connection failure condition, for any amount of time. It also do local caching of input in a very smart way. It's also included in every common distro, so no reason to avoid it.

@DustinB3403 said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!

(sarcasm boys)

That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are

What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.

You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.

Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!

Mosh?

This one. Best thing since sliced bread, as you Americans usually say!

I take offense to that statement....

EDIT

Ok, maybe I was rough, sorry.

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!

(sarcasm boys)

That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are

What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.

You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.

Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!

Mosh?
EDIT

This one.

Best thing since sliced bread!

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@Francesco-Provino said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@scottalanmiller said in Buying vs Saving Economic Theory:

@DustinB3403 said in old MSP wants to know what they did wrong:

@Mike-Davis and what exactly is wrong with WEP?!

(sarcasm boys)

That's all that they have here on Sicily where we are

What? Over 95% of WLAN in Sicily is WPA2, from my experience.
You must have met some of the 5% outdated/misconfigured stuff.
New provider's WLAN setup for consumer are ALL WPA2 and they have been WPA2 for years. Every public structure have WPA2 for sure. Every public university in Italy is part of EduRoam, so is WPA2 enterprise with RADIUS.

You don't deal with the tourism rental business much, I would guess.

Of course, they are fully on-the-cheap regarding IT :). Mosh is your friend!