Posts made by dyasny

@scottalanmiller calling EL "abandoned" is really strange, don't you think? All that software is supported by a major software vendor for 10 years, not just something a code-kiddy put out on github, which is what usually gets abandoned

@scottalanmiller Fedora is as close to bleeding edge as it can be, that's the point of the distribution.

@scottalanmiller I think developers should focus on the product they are developing, and not on keeping up with the changes in the underlying OS

@scottalanmiller you're missing the long cycle of backports while maintaining compatibility and all the QA that goes into an EL release. I've worked in Red Hat's QE for a few years, there's a huge amount of stuff that gets found, fixed and ironed out of an upstream build before it gets into an EL release

@scottalanmiller that I do, Georgian cuisine is amazing, and the street food in Israel is anything but hamburgers, all of it really good. But those places have their own problems, I'd rather leave the fine food behind and have a place to raise my children in safety

@scottalanmiller I'm sure you can get a croissant and coffee anywhere in the world these days Actually, I find the coffee in Israel much better than in NA, I bring a few pounds of the stuff with me every time I travel there

@travisdh1 having no PHP5.x isn't about performance, it's about not having this specific version packaged for the OS. Why you would be running something so fresh on CentOS and not in a container with Alpine or somesuch, I don't know, but the container should be running on docker or some sort of CRI engine on a stable distribution. That's how it's done in large enterprise environments at least

@scottalanmiller anything specific you could give as an example? Unless you're running something extremely bleeding edge (and that, these days is usually done in a container, not on the baremetal OS), you shouldn't see such problems at all. The version numbers in EL are misleading, because they do not show the amount of various backports that went into them.

@scottalanmiller with a short lifecycle cadence, changes will keep dropping in very frequently. No manual QA will mean all the corner use cases will be unchecked (I've seen startup who don't even bother to do automatic functional testing, just unit tests, and then push to production). It is much easier to standardise on an OS, maintain it for a few years, and make changes after those few years once, than to keep hacking at new wonderful surprises every few weeks.

It's a conservative approach, but it ends up saving money for the business, even if it contradicts the current devopsy hype. Besides, I'd rather develop a release pipeline instead of having to constantly fix it because someone upstream didn't care to read the docs and broke the APIs I rely on. Seen it happen way too often

It's not secret technology has changed on us over the years, we always have to learn and readjust, not to mention jumping into a new job where everything seems different.

I started my career as a NetWare admin, when it started dying out, moved on to Windows, and when Linux became more prominent, hopped on to that. Then from a simple admin, I had to move on to DevOps, learn the stack there, Virtualization gradually became cloud, with containers creeping up on that and so on. Looks like the only folks who don't need to keep up are the greybeards in bank basements coding Cobol for ancient mainframes.

My point is, things in IT change drastically, and we all need to find efficient ways to relearn, switch paradigms and keep up. How do you guys do that?

@scottalanmiller Montreal has a lot going for it, especially lately, when we got an Amazon DC, and Google, Facebook and MS opened up shop, as well as Red Hat bought a startup that had an office here. Unfortunately, my French is still pretty weak, and my main concern is losing touch with the kids' education as they advance through a French school system

@nerdydad hard to tell. I was born in Georgia (the real one, in the USSR, not the state ), but lived most of my life in Israel, with a few years in the UK and Ireland.

@scottalanmiller I disagree. The last thing I want in production is to deal with tons of bugs and losing API compatibility, having to overhaul my automation all the time to readjust. I've had enough of that when I was working on Openstack, and the product was changed every 6 months so that my code had to be updated for every version over and over again. Fedora is great (I'm typing this message on F28 right now), it has been my desktop OS for the past 10 years, but as a server - no. CentOS is stable and predictable and is a very easy solution if your business intends to grow enough to move on to RHEL.

@scottalanmiller might end up there one day, who knows? I'm definitely not moving to the US (despite several of my previous employers pushing for that) but Canada is wonderful from ocean to ocean

@scottalanmiller not sure, if it's about Big Data/IoT/HighLoad/Cloud then I might

@scottalanmiller why this obsession with Fedora? If you are building a production cluster, CentOS is the obvious choice

@scottalanmiller the "ish" was in relation to my Canadian-ship (Canadianness? Canadianity? oh well) - I'm still waiting for my citizenship to come through. I'm based in Montreal right now, but might move to a more English-speaking province in a few years.

@fateknollogee well, there you go then

@fateknollogee you will have to plan the setup properly if you don't want surprises. I'd be keeping away from gluster and hosted engine for example, especially in a large setup.

@bob-beatty azure questions are easy, the answer is always"move to aws"