@NerdyDad Nope, by then I'm just starting my own 6 month upgrade cycle. Because in 3-4 months a new Fedora will come out, I'll wait 2-3 months again, and then upgrade. Like a clock

There is no "vSphere free offering", ESXi standalone is what you can run for free, with limitations.

Also, QEMU/KVM is not necessarily QEMU/KVM, KVM can be used separately, and so can QEMU.

And one last thing - in any article involving virtualization, it is important to explain the difference between a hypervisor and a full virtualization management product, as well as the many layers in between. vmkernel is not ESXi and is not vSphere, but people lump everything under VMWare and then do silly comparisons. A pure hypervisor is nothing more than a driver for the AMD-V/Intel VT-D CPU extensions, and nothing else. To turn that into a usable VM you need an emulator for the other hardware a VM has (which is where stuff like QEMU come in) with various levels of optimized hardware emulation and physical hardware access (paravirtualized hardware). These are already two layers of software just to be able to run a VM. And we left out the fact nothing can REALLY run on baremetal, metal needs drivers, so the "pure" hypervisor is really one of the drivers that exist in a set of drivers, schedulers and supporting software, aka the kernel. Xen is one such kernel with the hypervisor included. Linux with KVM makes another such kernel. On top of that you have the base management layer, so that you don't need to type in a 15-line-long command just to get a VM going, this is where you have stuff like libvirt, ESXi and so on. And the you get the datacenter level management layer (vSphere, oVirt) or the IaaS management layer (Openstack Nova, EC2 etc)

I upgrade my Fedora after 2-3 months from the official release. By then everything is smooth and if I go the extra purist mile and reinstall only keeping $HOME, I can use an already updated Fedy for the more common initial setup stuff

@Donahue said in What Are You Currently Reading Outside of Tech:

David Weber

I've got Weber in my queue, might get there in a few months

@Donahue said in What Are You Currently Reading Outside of Tech:

I generally stay more in the Sci-fi arena, but there is something about the way those series did magic that I just really liked.

Sanderson is generally good exactly at that - inventing brand new and original systems of magic or superpowers, and really building a world around those. We are all tired of the usual spaceships and elven archers, Sanderson is unlike anyone else because he doesn't dabble in those tiresome stereotypes.

BTW, if you want another amazing and very original author - try Adrian Tchaikovsky (Empire in Black and Gold etc).

@Donahue exactly how I got into Sanderson myself. Read pretty much all of his stuff already

@Donahue That's what I did the first time. Well, the binge didn't happen then because the last 4 books weren't written yet, but still. This time I decided to actually read, it's a very different experience

Always have 3 books in the works - one professional, one bedtime and one audio. Right now I'm going through the Cassandra definitive guide, midway through the Wheel of Time series and The Prince of Thorns trilogy on audio. Plenty of books queued up, on all 3 queues

@Obsolesce said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

My guess would be RHEL first, then CentOS.

The real point is - which of those actually provide revenue to the company building the distribution and the cloud software on top of it

@scottalanmiller said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

Yeah, I use it that way, too. Once in a while.

Yeah, well, it's just bad

@scottalanmiller said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

OIC, yes, that might easily be. No idea what people are building on.

I've built quite a few, and very often I would come in, remove Ubuntu with Canonical's juju whatever or Mirantis fuel, and deploy, as a final production setup, not a POC. That was my job, pretty much, with Openstack.

@scottalanmiller said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

Old, but last that I knew...

https://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-linux-continues-to-rule-the-cloud/

I meant as a platform to build clouds, not as an ephemeral instance. Those aren't bringing any money in to Canonical, no matter how many of them get deployed here and there.

If you look at actual clouds built on Linux, (and really, there aren't many that are not, out there), Ubnutu is definitely very far from being the platform of choice. If you subtract the actually supported and paid for machines in that pool... well, you know what the answer will be

@scottalanmiller said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

I thought that they were the top player in the cloud space and RH was in second.

Not even close afaik, the only deals they can get are in companies that have diehard ubuntu fanboys running the show.

@stacksofplates Canonical isn't a player in the cloud space. Sure they have some products but their market share is puny.

@scottalanmiller said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

IBM's biggest challenge is cruft and an inability to dance. They want to do good things, but so moment inertia.

My point exactly - they are much more rigid and there will be a huge culture clash on the inside. People will leave in droves, so you better watch for them starting new companies, and invest in the next OSS giant. Also, a lot of the open projects that haven't been making them too much money might get hurt.

@scottalanmiller said in IBM looking to acquire RedHat:

I would like to see @dyasny's feelings on this for sure.

We'll have to wait and see. Frankly, I don't believe IBM will allow the almost-startup-ish way things are done at RHT - dynamic, creative and open to continue. On the other hand - their track record isn't as horrid as Oracle's, so...

Still, I think I jumped ship right on time

@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:

Inside stats are misleading, though. Vendors paint a different picture for employees than what customers see. That's not an RH thing, that's universal.

I've spent plenty of time on the customer side.

I guarantee as an employee, there were zero stats kept about how they were doing unethical, maybe illegal, things with customers. Account managers don't report to engineering.

That they had a process for this at all means it wasn't casual. This was a major effort to do what they did. If you didn't hear about it while there, then your stats aren't valid, if that makes sense. Because I bet you were told that nothing like that was happening with major customers (we had to be one of the five biggest customers.)

We had the same thing internally at where I was, so I get how it happens. We happen to catch it in our case. HR was trying to sabotage some departments and telling people that the jobs were awful before those applicants went fully into the system. So the "stats" internally said one thing, but if you could find someone who had turned down a job with the company, you learned all kinds of secrets that weren't officially recorded anywhere.

Same with RH - there is no chance that that activity was on the books. But it was a major effort to manipulate the customer. They could easily guarantee that their account would not be dropped if the heads of the engineering departments were working at RH and not at the customer.

In a large company, stuff done by some members can be unethical. I seriously doubt it was something decided at the top company level though, and if you cared to complain all the way to the top, heads would have flown.

when I worked at a hardware vendor we all know quite well, there was a sales team hired somewhere in Asia to do UK sales. They were told to sell as much as possible, provided training and left alone. A month later, a call came in from some old lady who was sold a rack of SAN equipment when she called for a printer. After an investigation, the entire team was sacked and the customers reimbursed. Does that make that vendor evil?

@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:

Remember you are talking to loads of people that were passionate about CentOS / EL in the past and switched recently because times have changed. So unless you worked for all of these places in the last 24 months, your experience is moot. All of our experiences would match that, as well.

So one second you say business is slow to change, and then you say that is moot. OK.

When I was in banking, EL was king. But the entire point of the article I linked was that things have changed, code is more mature today, projects move faster, priorities in the world have changed.

Code is, if anything, less mature today. With the current craze of moving as fast as possible, release as fast as possible and skip testing everywhere ("we've got devs writing unit tests for that" - sounds familiar?) code is getting crappier every day. And with solutions like k8s and mesos, people stopped debugging, their answer is "just respawn, who cares if it fails every 5 minutes".

Your looking to past experiences tells me you are thinking about the past, not the environment today. And you are missing that we had the same experiences back then, too. So it is based on the same experience, same knowledge, but bringing it up to date to today's situations, that led us from EL to Fedora.

Oh leave the slogans aside, neither of us has any future experience, just the past. You can guess what will happen in the future, but you dont know, no matter how much you "look to the future". You found Fedora to be working for your use case - well and good. This doesn't mean EL is less stable or has less support, you simply found a niche use case which works for you. Huge difference

@scottalanmiller said in Testing oVirt...:

But in the real world, you don't have these problems with Fedora. You are correct, those are things you don't want happening. Thankfully, Fedora protects you from that. That's the point.

How does Fedora protect you? It's a distro packaged, with some bugfixes here and there, no formal QA besides the very basics, no support, nothing. I'm fine with that on my laptop, but on a thousand servers?

The apps we run (and develop) are tested against Fedora, so.... where do you see the concern? Why would the customer(s) need to deal with these problems, what's the source of your worries?

The apps don't run in a vacuum, they rely on layers of software. Do you test all those layers?

@scottalanmiller this is foul play indeed, and knowing the company from within, I'm pretty sure such practices aren't smiled upon. I'm not with RH any longer, but in my 10 years there, they have always struck me as the most morally positive company I've ever worked with and for. I've seen business needs sacrificed to doing the right and moral thing quite a few times there. In the end - this is why they succeed, where those who attempt to be business sharks fail (waves at Canonical).

Do keep in mind, you have one single story, I've lived in there for years. I'd say I do have more stats