@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

Sadly, for Xen, XS was its only really nice full features distro and XS was not cared for by its steward. Suse continues to support "pure" Xen but it is a lot more complex than using a distro like XS. For shops with that special Xen need, it's out there. But it's mostly for large enterprises that are going to build an in house Xen team and provide their own support.

ok. Well thanks for the info. I really want Hyper-V to work but if I can't get it working, I will try KVM.

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

You talk to people like they already know everything but are choosing to ignore certain facts and then ask them why in the world they would make such an assumption, in what I assume is a subconscious attempt to set yourself up to sound like the smart guy. It's very frustrating.

Or, maybe I'm trying to help you figure out why you are making assumptions. How would I help you most - by just telling you you are wrong and acting like I know everything? by berating you with "facts" based on how I assume you were wrong? Or by asking you to provide the foundation for your assumptions

Assumptions are one of the biggest stumbling blocks in IT. Our field is full of them and they make good decision making almost impossible. Learning to look at out assumptions, question them, and dig in to figure out if they are valid or not is very, very important.

In this case, you approached with a number of assumptions - like that XS was active (maybe it is, but it doesn't appear to be and the terrible 7.2 release is one of the reasons that we feel this way) or that XS was a hypervisor, or that XS was one of the big three, that you didn't present until quite far along. Now, I think it is worth looking at why you felt these were good assumptions. What was their source? Maybe you have a bad source of info. Maybe you are processing good info in a bad way. Maybe I'm wrong and they are all good assumptions.

It's impossible to know what assumptions you are basing decisions on until they are stated. Once stated, often they are worth testing to see if they are valid. You'd be amazed how many IT issues we resolve simply by removing a bad assumption that was never mentioned.

I don't know man... you could have just given me some specific examples or sources that show how the latest releases of XS are terrible. Although, to be fair, I didn't even realize how it was different that Xen. I'm sure that's common...

I can't question every single assumption and meticulously double check every single thing I look at as that would be endless rabbit holes. Plain and simple: I assumed XenServer was still a thing because I've seen it talked about in numerous threads, there has been a recent release and their website makes no mention that they are no longer supporting their project.

Now what you are suggesting is almost that they are being deceptive in maintaining their website and software in an attempt to continue to take in money, but not really provide acceptable support for their product. ANY other company could be doing that. You could say Microsoft is doing that on a larger scale. They release updates that break things sometimes. Does that mean that I should stop and say, wait a minute, I think this project is dead and I will no longer use Microsoft products? Yes? No? I don't know.

It's not like I just blindly downloaded XS and installed it without doing anything else. I've tried to get information. I've read the information on their website. I don't have endless amounts of time to dump into a full blown investigation to determine if their platform is actually dead or not.

I don't have any more hair to rip out.

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

Now I am only looking at XenServer for the first time and since it's one of the three main free hypervisors, I wanted to consider using it unless there's a really clear reason not to. You say it's a ghost ship with major issues that haven't been fixed, so that's at least something. But I have other people suggesting I use it. You can see why I'm questioning what you say about it being dead right??

XS is not a hypervisor. XS is a specific distribution of Xen. Xen is the hypervisor. Xen is the oldest, but by far the fourth place, of the four main hypervisors.

It's fine to question why we feel it is dead. It's how you present things like the website as if a commercial vendor trying to make a quick buck is an indicator as to the engineering of a project. That requires me to either ignore the point, or explain why companies put up websites to make money and how software gets abandoned.

If you want to know why we feel it is dead, I would suggest asking more like "Oh, I had the impression it was still active, what are the indicators that make you feel it is dead." Instead of challenging with marketing and sales resources from a vendor.

Does that make sense?

blinks

Let me ask this then: Is Xen dead? Is Xen free? Should I use Xen as an alternative to KVM or Hyper-V?

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..

Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.

I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?

I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?

Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..

You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.

hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??

You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."

Can you provide me with a source that shows that the development of the platform is no longer happening? I mean, right on the front page it says that 7.2 was released May of 2017.

Or are you suggesting that they are continuing to develop their dead platform in an attempt to get people to continue giving them money?

Release numbers tell us nothing. What in 7.2 was so big that you feel its release constitutes a viable future for the product? Especially when we are talking about a system built on outdated tech like EXT3.

I don't know! I haven't even used it yet! I only brought it up earlier in the thread because I was asking about Hyper-V alternatives and then you said not to use it because it's a dead platform. I didn't think you were wrong but I was trying to understand why you would say that when their website makes it seem like it's alive.

You talk to people like they already know everything but are choosing to ignore certain facts and then ask them why in the world they would make such an assumption, in what I assume is a subconscious attempt to set yourself up to sound like the smart guy. It's very frustrating.

Now I am only looking at XenServer for the first time and since it's one of the three main free hypervisors, I wanted to consider using it unless there's a really clear reason not to. You say it's a ghost ship with major issues that haven't been fixed, so that's at least something. But I have other people suggesting I use it. You can see why I'm questioning what you say about it being dead right??

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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..

Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.

I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?

I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?

Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..

You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.

hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??

You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."

Can you provide me with a source that shows that the development of the platform is no longer happening? I mean, right on the front page it says that 7.2 was released May of 2017.

Or are you suggesting that they are continuing to develop their dead platform in an attempt to get people to continue giving them money?

@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..

Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.

I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?

I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?

Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..

You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.

hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..

Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.

I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?

I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?

Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..

@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

Guys, does anyone here have a 2016 Hyper-V and Windows 10 setup, both joined to the domain? Otherwise, is anyone willing to set it up as a test to see if you get it working? I really want to figure out what my problem is. I think I've literally tried everything at this point and I just can't connect. I even tried adding the Hyper-V Management tools from another Windows 10 system and got the same errors..

I've been using it that way since forever.

Hyper-V 2016 and Win10 1703 to manage it.

Any Win10 computer that is joined to the domain can manage the Hyper-V server simply by logging in with the correct credentials, or like you are doing, providing the correct credentials when adding the server to Hyper-V Manager.

Geeze.. would it be possible for you to list out the exact steps you took from installing Hyper-V all the way to connecting to the server via the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10?

I''ve gone through everything twice now and I just can't get it working...

Guys, does anyone here have a 2016 Hyper-V and Windows 10 setup, both joined to the domain? Otherwise, is anyone willing to set it up as a test to see if you get it working? I really want to figure out what my problem is. I think I've literally tried everything at this point and I just can't connect. I even tried adding the Hyper-V Management tools from another Windows 10 system and got the same errors..

@matteo-nunziati said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

Yes. I did that a while back. Running winrm quickconfig, it tells me this on both Windows 10 pc and Hyper-V server:
"WinRM service is already running on this machine.
WinRM is already set up for remote management on this computer."

@coliver said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

What version of Windows 10? Did you mention that already?

Already mentioned it above, but here it is:

• Windows 10 Pro
• Version: 1703
• OS Build: 15063.726

And FWIW: My Windows 10 isn't activated yet. I really don't think that matters since everything else works, I just haven't had a chance to purchase another license yet.

@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

Get-VM -ComputerName HV01

That yields the following:

So it looks like it doesn't like something about my installation of Hyper-V Management tools or something? I don't know.. really strange.

@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..

Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.

I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?

@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

I don't think the problem is HV01.

If you have just done a fresh install, joined it to the domain, and enabled remote management... you're good on that end.

Now on your Win10 computer, if you are logged in as a Domain Admin, you shouldn't have any trouble accessing it via Hyper-V Managaer.

You can try running Enable-PSRemoting on your Win10 computer, I think #4 on the Hyper-V host does the same thing, which looks like it's already done.

I have not logged in as a domain admin on my Windows 10 workstation however I have tried running the hyper-v manager as an administrator and use the domain admin credentials for that. I thought it didn't matter if I was logged into my workstation as a domain admin, and I wouldn't want to be doing that anyways in a normal environment, and running hyper-v as admin seem like the reasonable alternative. I can still give it a try though. EDIT: I tried it and it still doesn't work.

I have already run Enable-PSRemoting on both systems.

@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

That's just so weird, these problems you are having.

If I list a group policy setting, would you be able to apply it to HV01 and your desktop?

Yes, I know, very very frustrating. I actually just got done completely re-installing Hyper-V server 2016 just to go through all the steps again to see if I missed anything. It's now set up and joined to the domain again and I am able to RDP in as the domain user, but still I can not connect to it via the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10. I get this error when I specify the proper user to connect with:

And I have applied this GPO to my system:

@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

@black3dynamite said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

I just don’t recall having any issue with connecting to Hyper-V 2016 when both server and workstation is on the same domain.

The issue you are having makes sense if the server is not on a domain.

That is something to look for, @dave247 if you go to \servername\c$ and enter the server credentials and open the administrative share. Then now attempt to connect to the server, are you able to.

Also what problems are you having installing RSAT and what Windows 10 version do you have?

Yes, I am able to get right into the C$ no problem. I still can't connect via Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10.

My Windows 10 info:

• Windows 10 Pro
• Version: 1703
• OS Build: 15063.726

@black3dynamite said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

I just don’t recall having any issue with connecting to Hyper-V 2016 when both server and workstation is on the same domain.

The issue you are having makes sense if the server is not on a domain.

Well they are in fact on the same domain and yes I have looked at all the links and taken all the steps that apply. I have joined HV01 to the domain and I see it listed in AD as a computer and I have dropped it in the "Servers" OU.

At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..

@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:

What error are you getting?

This is the main error I'm getting now: "<< Failed to connect to server "<Computerame>". Make sure the administrative service is running on virtual machines and you are authorized to connect to the server.
The Hyper-V administration tools did not allow access to an expected WMI class on computer "<Computerame>".
This may indicate that the Hyper-V platform is not installed on the computer or that is the version of the Hyper-V platform
Hyper-V platform is not compatible with these management tools"

Also, I am getting,

"Enable delegation of user credentials? This computer is not configured to allow delegation of user credentials. Do you want to allow delegation of user credentials to HV01.domain.com?"

I have enabled remote management and added a domain admin as a local administrator to see if I could connect from my Windows 10 management computer. I just can't get in.

Screenshot of my console:

I also tried running these Powershell commands as admin and I still can't connect. I don't really understand the error messages:

Also, I have also attempted to install RSAT on my Windows 10 computer but still no luck.