Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out
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@coliver said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
What version of Windows 10? Did you mention that already?
Already mentioned it above, but here it is:
- Windows 10 Pro
- Version: 1703
- OS Build: 15063.726
And FWIW: My Windows 10 isn't activated yet. I really don't think that matters since everything else works, I just haven't had a chance to purchase another license yet.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Yes. I did that a while back. Running winrm quickconfig, it tells me this on both Windows 10 pc and Hyper-V server:
"WinRM service is already running on this machine.
WinRM is already set up for remote management on this computer." -
Guys, does anyone here have a 2016 Hyper-V and Windows 10 setup, both joined to the domain? Otherwise, is anyone willing to set it up as a test to see if you get it working? I really want to figure out what my problem is. I think I've literally tried everything at this point and I just can't connect. I even tried adding the Hyper-V Management tools from another Windows 10 system and got the same errors..
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Guys, does anyone here have a 2016 Hyper-V and Windows 10 setup, both joined to the domain? Otherwise, is anyone willing to set it up as a test to see if you get it working? I really want to figure out what my problem is. I think I've literally tried everything at this point and I just can't connect. I even tried adding the Hyper-V Management tools from another Windows 10 system and got the same errors..
I've been using it that way since forever.
Hyper-V 2016 and Win10 1703 to manage it.
Any Win10 computer that is joined to the domain can manage the Hyper-V server simply by logging in with the correct credentials, or like you are doing, providing the correct credentials when adding the server to Hyper-V Manager.
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@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Guys, does anyone here have a 2016 Hyper-V and Windows 10 setup, both joined to the domain? Otherwise, is anyone willing to set it up as a test to see if you get it working? I really want to figure out what my problem is. I think I've literally tried everything at this point and I just can't connect. I even tried adding the Hyper-V Management tools from another Windows 10 system and got the same errors..
I've been using it that way since forever.
Hyper-V 2016 and Win10 1703 to manage it.
Any Win10 computer that is joined to the domain can manage the Hyper-V server simply by logging in with the correct credentials, or like you are doing, providing the correct credentials when adding the server to Hyper-V Manager.
Geeze.. would it be possible for you to list out the exact steps you took from installing Hyper-V all the way to connecting to the server via the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10?
I''ve gone through everything twice now and I just can't get it working...
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
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OpenFiler still has a site up and you can still send money to them. but the project was totally abandoned like 5-6 years ago, and the project that it was based on was shut down and abandoned even before that. But if you want to send them money, they keep the site up just in case you want to.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
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@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??
You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
If you meant what I think you meant, then I think you are confused. I honestly don't understand what you think you were saying. Citrix has been poorly supporting XS for a year to the point of having abandoned it all but in name.
That you CAN download if for free doesn't mean anything in this discussion, so I'm further unsure what you mean. OpenFiler can be downloaded for free. It doesn't tell us anything about it still being supported, if it has been abandoned, if there is any future in it, nor does it negate the fact that they leave teh sites up so that people have the opportunity to send them money.
If you feel that XS is actively getting real developm,nt and engineering, just say so and why. Because from what we've been seeing, it has not. We aren't clear on what you mean - we don't know what you've seen that makes you feel it is actively being worked on or why you feel it has a future.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??
You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."
Can you provide me with a source that shows that the development of the platform is no longer happening? I mean, right on the front page it says that 7.2 was released May of 2017.
Or are you suggesting that they are continuing to develop their dead platform in an attempt to get people to continue giving them money?
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??
You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."
Can you provide me with a source that shows that the development of the platform is no longer happening? I mean, right on the front page it says that 7.2 was released May of 2017.
Or are you suggesting that they are continuing to develop their dead platform in an attempt to get people to continue giving them money?
The source is the product itself. Nothing of any major concern has happened in a very long time, major fixes that are desperately needed are going completely unaddressed. It's a ghost ship - just enough going on to make it appear that they are still working on it to a casual observer so that people are tempted to pay for support. There is money to be made, and if they keep up appeareances for a little while, they can rake in the profits without investing in it.
Release numbers tell us nothing. What in 7.2 was so big that you feel its release constitutes a viable future for the product? Especially when we are talking about a system built on outdated tech like EXT3.
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This is a pretty standard model in commercial software. It's the ghost ship model. You develop a product enough to get market attention, but engineering is expensive. At some point, continuing to engineer the product into the future doesn't return good profits. So you take the engineers away and keep at most just enough people to keep up appearances for some period of time, and at worst have no one at all. Then your sales and marketing teams continue to push the product and act like it is a living project still, even though it has died. This is when the big profits happen - when you rake in the support bucks while no longer really working on the project. We see this all the time, it's a very standard model when commercial software is involved and something we have to look out for all of the time.
It's been widely discussed for some time that Citrix was doing very little with XS and for the last year or two, it's all but stopped. The code base for XS is getting older and older and catching up is getting harder and harder. It's been pretty clear for a little while now that they are making what money they can from it without continuing to invest in it. Sad, but not all that surprising. XS really was never something Citrix cared about, they bought it for the name alone. They still use that, now they have a strong interest in phasing XS out. But they aren't going to throw away the ghost ship profits to do so.
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??
You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."
Can you provide me with a source that shows that the development of the platform is no longer happening? I mean, right on the front page it says that 7.2 was released May of 2017.
Or are you suggesting that they are continuing to develop their dead platform in an attempt to get people to continue giving them money?
Release numbers tell us nothing. What in 7.2 was so big that you feel its release constitutes a viable future for the product? Especially when we are talking about a system built on outdated tech like EXT3.
I don't know! I haven't even used it yet! I only brought it up earlier in the thread because I was asking about Hyper-V alternatives and then you said not to use it because it's a dead platform. I didn't think you were wrong but I was trying to understand why you would say that when their website makes it seem like it's alive.
You talk to people like they already know everything but are choosing to ignore certain facts and then ask them why in the world they would make such an assumption, in what I assume is a subconscious attempt to set yourself up to sound like the smart guy. It's very frustrating.
Now I am only looking at XenServer for the first time and since it's one of the three main free hypervisors, I wanted to consider using it unless there's a really clear reason not to. You say it's a ghost ship with major issues that haven't been fixed, so that's at least something. But I have other people suggesting I use it. You can see why I'm questioning what you say about it being dead right??
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@tim_g said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Guys, does anyone here have a 2016 Hyper-V and Windows 10 setup, both joined to the domain? Otherwise, is anyone willing to set it up as a test to see if you get it working? I really want to figure out what my problem is. I think I've literally tried everything at this point and I just can't connect. I even tried adding the Hyper-V Management tools from another Windows 10 system and got the same errors..
I've been using it that way since forever.
Hyper-V 2016 and Win10 1703 to manage it.
Any Win10 computer that is joined to the domain can manage the Hyper-V server simply by logging in with the correct credentials, or like you are doing, providing the correct credentials when adding the server to Hyper-V Manager.
Geeze.. would it be possible for you to list out the exact steps you took from installing Hyper-V all the way to connecting to the server via the Hyper-V Manager in Windows 10?
I''ve gone through everything twice now and I just can't get it working...
Really all I do is install Hyper-V 2016, join it to the domain, enable remoting.
For Win10, a fresh Win10 install, join to the domain, RSAT (the one for 2016 if using 1703).
That's it.
I do have a few GPOs ineffect to guarantee server management from Admins and Admin workstations, and GPOs to guarantee Admin management of user workstations.
But it will need to wait until Monday because there is too much company info in those GPOs for me to simply export the GPOs and zip them up for you.
I'll have to list the settings for you to try, but really, they aren't needed.
Even when I set up a test domain, I don't need those GPOs, because I don't use them and it still works. So something somewhere you are doing is preventing management somewhere. But I have no idea what.
Perhaps it's something in your environment, some GPO setting, some Win10 workstation setting, who knows.
You can try it in a test environment, test domain, fresh everything, and see what happens.
Your other option is to set up a Fedora KVM server. The KVM GUI management tools (vis SSH) "just work", and are secure.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dbeato said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
At this point, I'm considering trying out XenServer..
Don't, it's a dead project. Try KVM.
I don't doubt for a second that you know what you're talking about, but if it's a dead project, then why the heck is their site still up and allowing people to download and use their products?
I'm not even sure what you mean to imply by this question. Why would the status of a project affect vendors trying to make money from people buying it or things around it?
Oh come on, you know what I meant. I suppose yes the obvious answer is in case someone wants to send them money.. but I can just download XenServer and use it for free can't I? No money there..
You certainly can use it and it is free but the issue is the development moving forward with security and feature updates.
hmm.. I'm talking about xenserver.org and it appears to still be active.. are we talking about the same thing??
You are using active to mean "the company is still making money", we are using "dead" to mean "there is no real further development and no future to the platform."
Can you provide me with a source that shows that the development of the platform is no longer happening? I mean, right on the front page it says that 7.2 was released May of 2017.
Or are you suggesting that they are continuing to develop their dead platform in an attempt to get people to continue giving them money?
Release numbers tell us nothing. What in 7.2 was so big that you feel its release constitutes a viable future for the product? Especially when we are talking about a system built on outdated tech like EXT3.
I don't know! I haven't even used it yet! I only brought it up earlier in the thread because I was asking about Hyper-V alternatives and then you said not to use it because it's a dead platform. I didn't think you were wrong but I was trying to understand why you would say that when their website makes it seem like it's alive.
Okay but... I'm asking what their website making it seem alive has to do with anything? I've explained that they want to make money, you keep acting like I'm crazy and like you know things that we don't. Why do you keep saying that it seems alive. You are acting like you know things that we do not.
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@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Now I am only looking at XenServer for the first time and since it's one of the three main free hypervisors, I wanted to consider using it unless there's a really clear reason not to. You say it's a ghost ship with major issues that haven't been fixed, so that's at least something. But I have other people suggesting I use it. You can see why I'm questioning what you say about it being dead right??
XS is not a hypervisor. XS is a specific distribution of Xen. Xen is the hypervisor. Xen is the oldest, but by far the fourth place, of the four main hypervisors.
It's fine to question why we feel it is dead. It's how you present things like the website as if a commercial vendor trying to make a quick buck is an indicator as to the engineering of a project. That requires me to either ignore the point, or explain why companies put up websites to make money and how software gets abandoned.
If you want to know why we feel it is dead, I would suggest asking more like "Oh, I had the impression it was still active, what are the indicators that make you feel it is dead." Instead of challenging with marketing and sales resources from a vendor.
Does that make sense?
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@scottalanmiller said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
@dave247 said in Trying to set up Hyper-V Server 2016, ripping my hair out:
Now I am only looking at XenServer for the first time and since it's one of the three main free hypervisors, I wanted to consider using it unless there's a really clear reason not to. You say it's a ghost ship with major issues that haven't been fixed, so that's at least something. But I have other people suggesting I use it. You can see why I'm questioning what you say about it being dead right??
XS is not a hypervisor. XS is a specific distribution of Xen. Xen is the hypervisor. Xen is the oldest, but by far the fourth place, of the four main hypervisors.
It's fine to question why we feel it is dead. It's how you present things like the website as if a commercial vendor trying to make a quick buck is an indicator as to the engineering of a project. That requires me to either ignore the point, or explain why companies put up websites to make money and how software gets abandoned.
If you want to know why we feel it is dead, I would suggest asking more like "Oh, I had the impression it was still active, what are the indicators that make you feel it is dead." Instead of challenging with marketing and sales resources from a vendor.
Does that make sense?
blinks
Let me ask this then: Is Xen dead? Is Xen free? Should I use Xen as an alternative to KVM or Hyper-V?
