@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.
For future reference to anyone wondering, I spoke to three different O365 reps today and they said the limit has been bumped to 1 million items so we'll be good for a while!
@stacksofplates said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@stacksofplates said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@storageninja said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
A VPN adds overhead and latency
You sir, have not seen what a pair of Brocade MLXe's can do with a dark fiber connection. A fully loaded chassis could push 1.2Tbps of IPSEC traffic at wire speed.
Shitty consumer grade, no crypto ASIC stuff? Yah, there are limits. The latency your complaining about? That's likely from trying to run UDP real time protocols WITHOUT configuring datagram TLS? OUCH. Yah that's gonna suck. Use a real VPN appliance that will support dTLS.
What is the cost of stuff like that? Recall that most people here come from SMBs where we are now recommending ER-L firewalls that cost $150 or less.
I don't think that was the point of his post.
my question still stands.
Expensive. But again, that wasn't his point. ASIC offloading and dTLS aren't only available in those. Ubiquiti does crypto ASIC. Last place I worked we did 3D CAD with SolidWorks over ZeroTier and it wasn't bad. There is likely some serious tuning that could be done here.
ZeroTier looks pretty dope. I'm curious to set this up and see how well it behaves.
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.
For future reference to anyone wondering, I spoke to three different O365 reps today and they said the limit has been bumped to 1 million items so we'll be good for a while!
@stacksofplates said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@stacksofplates said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@storageninja said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
A VPN adds overhead and latency
You sir, have not seen what a pair of Brocade MLXe's can do with a dark fiber connection. A fully loaded chassis could push 1.2Tbps of IPSEC traffic at wire speed.
Shitty consumer grade, no crypto ASIC stuff? Yah, there are limits. The latency your complaining about? That's likely from trying to run UDP real time protocols WITHOUT configuring datagram TLS? OUCH. Yah that's gonna suck. Use a real VPN appliance that will support dTLS.
What is the cost of stuff like that? Recall that most people here come from SMBs where we are now recommending ER-L firewalls that cost $150 or less.
I don't think that was the point of his post.
my question still stands.
Expensive. But again, that wasn't his point. ASIC offloading and dTLS aren't only available in those. Ubiquiti does crypto ASIC. Last place I worked we did 3D CAD with SolidWorks over ZeroTier and it wasn't bad. There is likely some serious tuning that could be done here.
ZeroTier looks pretty dope. I'm curious to set this up and see how well it behaves.
@matteo-nunziati @scottalanmiller so I guess I'm better off going RAID10 SATA or NL-SAS rather than RAID5 SSD then? I know my original post mentioned 4 drives, but they were complaining that it wouldn't be enough space in the future so I was going to add another. Not sure if that makes a difference and also not sure about the rebuild times for both cases.
CAD files are small, about 350KB on average. Apparently some of these Revit files are pretty big (150MB). One of the employees with a "faster computer" opens a file and it takes about 30 seconds. Others go grab a coffee and come back. Kind of absurd, if you ask me. The network is setup with GigE.
I chose SSDs because the client insisted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there would be a big difference in pricing if I did HDD RAID10 vs SSD RAID5, at least that's what I thought when I ran the specs.
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Right now, they have onsite backups using Acronis and HDDs. This was setup by the previous IT guy. Someone in the office has to physically swap HDDs every week and I want to avoid this. I was thinking that I take the old HDDs from the SBS, put them into a NAS enclosure and run backups to that.
Absolutely doable, and this is a reasonable way to reuse hardware that isn't EoL.
I haven't used BackBlaze B2, but looks simple and cheap so I think I will go with that for cloud backups. They also have a ton of old projects that they will likely not need, unless there is an audit or catastrophe, so I was thinking of moving that to AWS Glacier or Azure Cool storage. I'll have to check pricing but I believe the long term storage would be cheaper than putting everything in BackBlaze.
You might be surprised, AWS Glacier is pretty damn slow and is meant for files that are expected to never have to be accessed.
So that would cover backups, what do you guys recommend for disaster recovery? If I make full backups of the VMs then is that sort of all encompassing? I apologize if that's an ignorant statement. Thoughts?
Veeam is the golden solution here most of the time. If you were using other Hypervisors the answer may change.
Great, thank you!
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I have something else I wanted to discuss, while we're at it. They have a peculiar setup, so let me try to explain. One of the owners want to "access all the projects" from anywhere, whether it's in the office, at home or outside the office in a meeting. They previously had VPN set up, but complain that it's too slow. Tough crowd to please.
They have O365 licensing, which comes with OneDrive and asked if we can use that because they don't want to spend more money on another solution. I proposed this rig (for lack of a better word), where I shared a Sharepoint folder on the local network. This way users can access files locally, changes will replicate to SharePoint and, if someone is outside of the office, they can access the files through OneDrive (and vice-versa). I really banged my head trying to think of a better solution without adding a bunch of overhead, but feel free to chime in. I know it's not ideal, but it works. Feel free to drop comments.
I hope this all makes sense and sorry for any typos, it's a lot to drop in here. I'll check back here in an hour or so. Thank you everyone for your help, it is much appreciated.What was slow about the VPN? They do add some overhead to any transfers, but I haven't, in general, notice they affect them that bad. What upload speed do you have in the office?
Of course, it's like that MS through O365 is going to have great upload compared to most SMBs, so downloading a file from MS will likely always be possibly faster than from your office location.
As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.
They have Comcast cable 50 down, 5 up and those are advertised speeds so it's likely less. The only other option they have from there is to go Fiber and I gave them the quote 1 year ago and they still haven't decided...They get 1TB in SharePoint and can upgrade (by paying), the item limit is 5k per library and 20k overall so I think they're okay.
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
So that would cover backups, what do you guys recommend for disaster recovery? If I make full backups of the VMs then is that sort of all encompassing? I apologize if that's an ignorant statement. Thoughts?
Yes the VM backups with something like Veeam will be all you need for DR in most cases. You backup to a local NAS, then you restore from there as well. FYI - Veeam requires a Windows box/VM to run from. Veeam can also then push your backups to your cloud backup provider as well.
Excellent!
Right now, they have onsite backups using Acronis and HDDs. This was setup by the previous IT guy. Someone in the office has to physically swap HDDs every week and I want to avoid this. I was thinking that I take the old HDDs from the SBS, put them into a NAS enclosure and run backups to that. I haven't used BackBlaze B2, but looks simple and cheap so I think I will go with that for cloud backups. They also have a ton of old projects that they will likely not need, unless there is an audit or catastrophe, so I was thinking of moving that to AWS Glacier or Azure Cool storage. I'll have to check pricing but I believe the long term storage would be cheaper than putting everything in BackBlaze. So that would cover backups, what do you guys recommend for disaster recovery? If I make full backups of the VMs then is that sort of all encompassing? I apologize if that's an ignorant statement. Thoughts?
I have something else I wanted to discuss, while we're at it. They have a peculiar setup, so let me try to explain. One of the owners want to "access all the projects" from anywhere, whether it's in the office, at home or outside the office in a meeting. They previously had VPN set up, but complain that it's too slow. Tough crowd to please.
They have O365 licensing, which comes with OneDrive and asked if we can use that because they don't want to spend more money on another solution. I proposed this rig (for lack of a better word), where I shared a Sharepoint folder on the local network. This way users can access files locally, changes will replicate to SharePoint and, if someone is outside of the office, they can access the files through OneDrive (and vice-versa). I really banged my head trying to think of a better solution without adding a bunch of overhead, but feel free to chime in. I know it's not ideal, but it works. Feel free to drop comments.
I hope this all makes sense and sorry for any typos, it's a lot to drop in here. I'll check back here in an hour or so. Thank you everyone for your help, it is much appreciated.