Consulting for a Small Construction Company
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@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I guess it's simply getting access to the actual data. If the vendor will send over a csv, then it wouldn't be that hard...
Is this a matter of vendors denying access to data and only providing the info via their own configuration utility? So they need one from each vendor?
correct.
That should all go into the calculation as to why that vendor is overly expensive.
The vendor actually is denying access to their parts data? This seems really unlikely. You've spoken to the vendor and they actually won't provide the data?
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@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I guess it's simply getting access to the actual data. If the vendor will send over a csv, then it wouldn't be that hard...
Is this a matter of vendors denying access to data and only providing the info via their own configuration utility? So they need one from each vendor?
correct.
That should all go into the calculation as to why that vendor is overly expensive.
The vendor actually is denying access to their parts data? This seems really unlikely. You've spoken to the vendor and they actually won't provide the data?
This is not uncommon at all. It is very common that manufacturers will strike deals with dealers and only provide information via that chain.
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@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I guess it's simply getting access to the actual data. If the vendor will send over a csv, then it wouldn't be that hard...
Is this a matter of vendors denying access to data and only providing the info via their own configuration utility? So they need one from each vendor?
correct.
That should all go into the calculation as to why that vendor is overly expensive.
The vendor actually is denying access to their parts data? This seems really unlikely. You've spoken to the vendor and they actually won't provide the data?
No I haven't, I suppose it's worth a conversation - but I'm here to tell you they'll likely not move away from it if making a replacement ERP with with vendor provided data unless the transition was say less than $2K. The current software is there and works. for it's intended purpose.. works well. Even though it requires local admin rights - which is the only thing that really makes me want to get rid of it.
I also really dislike the fact that it's only single workstation aware. So someone making a quote on one system, is completely unaware of someone else making one someplace else.
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@JaredBusch said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I guess it's simply getting access to the actual data. If the vendor will send over a csv, then it wouldn't be that hard...
Is this a matter of vendors denying access to data and only providing the info via their own configuration utility? So they need one from each vendor?
correct.
That should all go into the calculation as to why that vendor is overly expensive.
The vendor actually is denying access to their parts data? This seems really unlikely. You've spoken to the vendor and they actually won't provide the data?
This is not uncommon at all. It is very common that manufacturers will strike deals with dealers and only provide information via that chain.
I'm not surprised by that part. I'm surprised that they would go through all of the risk and expense of building an in house application that they have to maintain (or they lose sales) and provide and support to their channel partners making their partners less effective and riskier and making them less cost effective to do business with when they could just give them the data or built the application into their web portal or whatever. It would benefit them AND their partners, not like they are benefiting here themselves, right?
that the data is only for partners, that I'm not worried about. That makes sense. It's just how they provide it.
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@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I guess it's simply getting access to the actual data. If the vendor will send over a csv, then it wouldn't be that hard...
Is this a matter of vendors denying access to data and only providing the info via their own configuration utility? So they need one from each vendor?
correct.
That should all go into the calculation as to why that vendor is overly expensive.
The vendor actually is denying access to their parts data? This seems really unlikely. You've spoken to the vendor and they actually won't provide the data?
No I haven't, I suppose it's worth a conversation - but I'm here to tell you they'll likely not move away from it if making a replacement ERP with with vendor provided data unless the transition was say less than $2K. The current software is there and works. for it's intended purpose.. works well. Even though it requires local admin rights - which is the only thing that really makes me want to get rid of it.
I also really dislike the fact that it's only single workstation aware. So someone making a quote on one system, is completely unaware of someone else making one someplace else.
Seems like Excel would just do this. It totally depends on how they would provide the data. But there are industry standards around this stuff.
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@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
that the data is only for partners, that I'm not worried about. That makes sense. It's just how they provide it.
I follow your logic now. One of the worst systems I have dealt with is from Linde. They are finally moving to a web based extranet though. I hated updating their software and dealing with the machine licenses. it was a major time sink.
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I think I mispoke - or mislead. The 3rd party stuff that's used from within the first party's software is hand entered into an import csv and imported into the first party's software.
There are other entities that are dealt with directly through their own web portals.
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@JaredBusch said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@scottalanmiller said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
@Dashrender said in Consulting for a Small Construction Company:
I guess it's simply getting access to the actual data. If the vendor will send over a csv, then it wouldn't be that hard...
Is this a matter of vendors denying access to data and only providing the info via their own configuration utility? So they need one from each vendor?
correct.
That should all go into the calculation as to why that vendor is overly expensive.
The vendor actually is denying access to their parts data? This seems really unlikely. You've spoken to the vendor and they actually won't provide the data?
This is not uncommon at all. It is very common that manufacturers will strike deals with dealers and only provide information via that chain.
Large Scale Speaker systems are the same way.. You either use the manufactors crappy software or you use EASE.. http://ease.afmg.eu/
They only give it the data to them because they don't want everyone knowing the exact math that makes the patterns and such to setup a large scale array. If they did then people could copy their speaker systems.
