Data not protected even if not on US soil





  • That is a very scary thing.



  • The US government is really out of control.Whether you are a democrat, republican, or third party you cant argue this.



  • It seems to me that the EU will have an opinion to share about this and I do not think it will mesh with the judges...
    IRJ You are spot on with that statement, they remind me of dogs rolling in disgustingness except they are rolling in new technology and interconnectedness.


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    I think the real question will be if that violates the local laws which I guarantee that it does. So whose laws apply? Can US law demand that you commit a felony elsewhere?



  • It seems like the judge had just created a required extradition without the the other country agreeing, made possible only because the vendor has complete control over their own network all over the world.

    What a load!


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    @Dashrender exactly.



  • If this thing holds water, I'd be surprised if we don't see companies look to move out of the USA altogether. Perhaps they'll create a sister company under it's own name that will offer non US services... Something that will basically allow them to say no.


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    @Dashrender said:

    If this thing holds water, I'd be surprised if we don't see companies look to move out of the USA altogether. Perhaps they'll create a sister company under it's own name that will offer non US services... Something that will basically allow them to say no.

    Most do that already. NTG does.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @Dashrender said:

    If this thing holds water, I'd be surprised if we don't see companies look to move out of the USA altogether. Perhaps they'll create a sister company under it's own name that will offer non US services... Something that will basically allow them to say no.

    Most do that already. NTG does.

    But Microsoft and Google don't.. which is where this is a much larger problem.



  • I have the utmost respect for anyone who has been a victim of a terrorist attack. I dont want to downplay how serious they can be but....

    Since Sept 11,2001 there have been more people in the U.S. attacked by Sharks than attacked by terrorists. If someone came up to your door and promised you safety from shark attacks if you let them have access to your data, you would laugh right? Why dont people think about terrorists attacks the same way? There are so uncommon its ridiculous, yet people give up all the freedom for the .000000000000000000000000001% (fake number but I bet its even lower than that) chance that you might be involved in one



  • @IRJ - I completely agree. It's bizarre, people are all freaked out over terror attacks but could care less about having their identity stolen, or their computer compromised. Now before anyone tries to shut this down because well a terrorist attack takes your life and stolen identity or compromised computer don't, at least in most cases - ok FINe, but it's still 1000's of times more likely to happen to you than a terror attack.

    Wake up and smell your rights people!



  • I have been hit by a Bull Shark so that should lower my odds of other things right? Super Scary feeling btw. It swam right into me like a train


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    @Dashrender said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @Dashrender said:

    If this thing holds water, I'd be surprised if we don't see companies look to move out of the USA altogether. Perhaps they'll create a sister company under it's own name that will offer non US services... Something that will basically allow them to say no.

    Most do that already. NTG does.

    But Microsoft and Google don't.. which is where this is a much larger problem.

    Are you sure that they don't? How do they legally do business in the EU?

    @Dashrender said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @Dashrender said:

    If this thing holds water, I'd be surprised if we don't see companies look to move out of the USA altogether. Perhaps they'll create a sister company under it's own name that will offer non US services... Something that will basically allow them to say no.

    Most do that already. NTG does.

    But Microsoft and Google don't.. which is where this is a much larger problem.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @Dashrender said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    @Dashrender said:

    If this thing holds water, I'd be surprised if we don't see companies look to move out of the USA altogether. Perhaps they'll create a sister company under it's own name that will offer non US services... Something that will basically allow them to say no.

    Most do that already. NTG does.

    But Microsoft and Google don't.. which is where this is a much larger problem.

    Are you sure that they don't? How do they legally do business in the EU?

    I'd be willing to bet it's the same company just with what legalities are needed to have doors open in that country, therefore any data the company holds would be considered to be part of a single company entity. The bad part is that it might require that they share no infrastructure too. 😞



  • I dont think EU is what the US is after. I think its China


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    @IRJ said:

    I dont think EU is what the US is after. I think its China

    You might be surprised.


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