Ubiquiti Switches
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@brianlittlejohn said:
@scottalanmiller The unifi switch does too. I just went through this debating between the two and went with the edgeswitch just because I would rather have features I didn't use then find something I needed that they haven't put in the unifi switch yet.
If your network was that complex as to need that type of feature, that you don't even know you need now, then why are you even looking at devices like these and not high end enterprise devices?
I can totally understand not going with the Unifi stuff because it's more money and includes a feature you don't need (POE), but lack of a feature statement seems weird.
What would a high end switch over in value there?
That was my point. I've definitely been caught in the "hey there's some cool new feature that looks neat - I gotta have it" only once I get it it's useless for me, and it was money wasted.
@brianlittlejohn saidI would rather have features I didn't use then find something I needed that they haven't put in the unifi switch yet.
I didn't think that made sense as the reason for sticking with Edgeswitches. You (Scott) have said for years, buy for today, not for tomorrow unless you know with full certainty that you will do X tomorrow, otherwise it's more often a waste than just having to buy again when that time really comes that you need X.
Getting back to my mentioning Enterprise stuff, I was going a bit over the top - If you don't want the Unifi because it could be missing something down the road, then why not just buy the best, because it's likely that the EdgeSwitch will be missing something the Enterprise stuff will have
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@brianlittlejohn said:
@Dashrender The Unifi Switch probably did everything I needed, I just like to have flexibility in case I decide to change things on the network in the future and if I can do it for a cheaper cost, my as well.
I agree with cheaper cost - though, having the prebuilt graphs that come in the controller software that Unifi has is pretty nice.
I'm assuming if you enable logging/SNTP that you could get another solution to provide similar graphs, but that's just one more thing to setup and manage. Of course if you have that logging/SNTP for other things, adding the switches it it, probably isn't that big of a deal.
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So who has used the EdgeSwitches in anger in production, any quirks/oddities?
Do they insist on using Java on the client machines like HP switches to manage them?
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@Breffni-Potter said:
So who has used the EdgeSwitches in anger in production, any quirks/oddities?
Do they insist on using Java on the client machines like HP switches to manage them?
In anger?
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And the Lord sayeth to the lowly shephard upon the field, thou shalt not take the switch in anger upon thine network.
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No one's heard that phrase?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Anger&defid=597320
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@Breffni-Potter said:
No one's heard that phrase?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Anger&defid=597320
Nope, never heard it.
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Must be just on this side of the pond. It's used all the time.
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I'm interested in knowing who uses these in production, likes them and views them as "Enterprise" class. As I've seen lots of people comment they good for AP's and SMB but wouldn't consider them enterprise class like HP/Cisco
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@hobbit666 said:
I'm interested in knowing who uses these in production, likes them and views them as "Enterprise" class. As I've seen lots of people comment they good for AP's and SMB but wouldn't consider them enterprise class like HP/Cisco
Well, I don't consider them like Cisco. Definitely better than that.
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Our EdgeSwitch is very new, so we don't have a lot of time on it. Our EdgeRouters we've been on for years and certainly outclass Cisco. I hate Cisco as a comparison because I consider them to be too broad. Cisco ranges from hobby gear to enterprise and everything in between. The Cisco gear normally used by SMBs I classify as hobby or the most entry level SMB (ASAs, for example.) EdgeRouters are not Cisco competitors, Cisco isn't even thinking of getting into that level of game and at this point knows to stay out of it.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Must be just on this side of the pond. It's used all the time.
must be down south, never heard it in Manchester/Derbyshire...but then we have phrases I say to my southern friends and they're like "What?!"
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@Breffni-Potter said:
One is POE, the other is not.
That's the only difference I see listed.
I see them both as PoE?
Only difference I can see between the Unifi Switch and Edge Switch is one is controller managed. -
@hobbit666 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
One is POE, the other is not.
That's the only difference I see listed.
I see them both as PoE?
Only difference I can see between the Unifi Switch and Edge Switch is one is controller managed.http://www.4gon.co.uk/ubiquiti-edgeswitch-lite-48-port-p-6583.html isn't PoE as far as I can tell?
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@NattNatt said:
@hobbit666 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
One is POE, the other is not.
That's the only difference I see listed.
I see them both as PoE?
Only difference I can see between the Unifi Switch and Edge Switch is one is controller managed.http://www.4gon.co.uk/ubiquiti-edgeswitch-lite-48-port-p-6583.html isn't PoE as far as I can tell?
We have it, it is definitely not PoE. The "Lite" means non-PoE.
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Sorry I was comparing the normal ones not the "Lite" Version.
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@scottalanmiller I hate Cisco because they so damn expensive.....
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@scottalanmiller other than price - what makes you dislike their stuff so much?
What equipment specifically is hobby level? I would have said their Linksys, but they sold that to Belkin.
What makes ERL so much better than and ASA (other than the starting ASA is 4-5 times the price)?
I'm guessing the ERL can do more because UNBT doesn't intentionally hamstring many router function forcing you to buy an even more expensive piece of gear to get a real router.Then there's the whole open source vs closed source thing.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller other than price - what makes you dislike their stuff so much?
Price is the key, but it's astronomic. For example, it is more than $3K to compare to a $95 Ubiquiti. So you get into the price range where you are dealing with home gear from Cisco in the price range of Ubiquiti - so price is so big that it starts to become other issues because Cisco sells things that are hobby level and Ubiquiti is enterprise only. So at some point, it's not just that Cisco costs more but that everything remotely in the product range is a toy and should never be considered.
Cisco support and engineering that I've dealt with actually crossed the line into offensive. Straight up lying to try to make sales combined with less than hobbyist networking knowledge from their engineers.
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@Dashrender said:
What equipment specifically is hobby level? I would have said their Linksys, but they sold that to Belkin.
It wasn't Linksys under Cisco, it was Cisco's name. Cisco's reputation and and quality is defined by what they stand behind. That old Linksys and Sipura gear is how Cisco sees their customers, plain and simple.
