XenServer Backup
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@anonymous Nobody will pay just for support. Except huge companies, but our prices are flat. So not scalable at ALL. You need to put value in your product. Remember: a software itself is NOT a product.
XO : a software
XOA : a product (appliance + updater + support)The only solution is to scale prices. And even with that, we need to be bigger than we are currently.
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@coliver said:
They are basically doing this now, or am I missing something? You can deploy the entirety of XO without paying a single penny. It is the pre-built appliance and support that will cost anything.
I am staying appliance (at every level) free, and just change for support. Just like XenServer.
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@scottalanmiller We are not in US here. Investors don't believe in this. And a very few succeeded by doing that.
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@coliver said:
@anonymous said:
@olivier you know your business better then anyone here, but I am wondering if you ever considered something like the XenServer model? Everything is free, support cost money?
They are basically doing this now, or am I missing something? You can deploy the entirety of XO without paying a single penny. It is the pre-built appliance and support that will cost anything.
It's just the confusion around the free XOA vs the other free option getting people confused that I think that he wants to eliminate.
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@anonymous said:
@olivier you know your business better then anyone here, but I am wondering if you ever considered something like the XenServer model? Everything is free, support cost money?
Everything is free....
There are even VM's you can download from people in this community for a fully working solution...
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@olivier said:
@anonymous Nobody will pay just for support.
Good ones sure do. It's the little failing ones that don't. They aren't a good market to target because... failing and small
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@olivier said:
@scottalanmiller We are not in US here. Investors don't believe in this. And a very few succeeded by doing that.
Get better investors
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@anonymous said:
@coliver said:
They are basically doing this now, or am I missing something? You can deploy the entirety of XO without paying a single penny. It is the pre-built appliance and support that will cost anything.
I am staying appliance (at every level) free, and just change for support. Just like XenServer.
XO is more akin to Xen and the Appliance is closer to XenServer. There are some functions in Xen that you need to dig into the XenServer CLI a bit to access (or use 3rd party addons).
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@olivier said:
@scottalanmiller We are not in US here. Investors don't believe in this. And a very few succeeded by doing that.
OH, are you doing the startup mode where you are just heading to IPO and then selling and moving on? If those are the investors that you have, that would make sense. If they are in for the short term IPO and not the long term viability and profits, that would totally make sense.
When I was in Norway they were complaining about how poor the investors were in Europe and how little they understood business.
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@olivier said:
@scottalanmiller We are not in US here. Investors don't believe in this. And a very few succeeded by doing that.
Basically you just said that your investors don't believe in making money.
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@scottalanmiller Nope. But nobody here will bet a penny on you if you don't have any income in less than 1 year. Roughly, they understand Internet as a mean to sell shoes.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@olivier said:
@scottalanmiller We are not in US here. Investors don't believe in this. And a very few succeeded by doing that.
Basically you just said that your investors don't believe in making money.
I think what he said is he wouldn't have any investors if his company wasn't making money. Or at least a model to make money.
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Sorry @olivier didn't mean to start all of this
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@DustinB3403 This.
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If I may ask @olivier where are you (and presumably your team) from?
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@anonymous no problem, it's interesting I assume (to understand from the "other side").
In an ideal world, I would like to give XOA for free to anyone. That's just not possible.
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@olivier said:
@anonymous no problem, it's interesting I assume (to understand from the "other side").
In an ideal world, I would like to give XOA for free to anyone. That's just not possible.
It's possible but you and your team would be very thin... paper thin...
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@olivier said:
@anonymous no problem, it's interesting I assume (to understand from the "other side").
In an ideal world, I would like to give XOA for free to anyone. That's just not possible.
No paper to wipe with kind of thin....
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@coliver Grenoble, France. We found a small team of investors that "helped us" last year, but that's really small amounts of money. But despite that, our growth is not bad, and we continue to focus on great features coming soon!
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@olivier when can we expect that "Importing" feature to be released?
I really want to test that bit out.
