Disk partitioning- Vmware Linux guest
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@Ambarishrh said:
regarding snapshots, this is what i heard from our hosting provider support team.
He says "big rule.
DO NOT LEAVE SNAPSHOTS AROUND.
if it exists for >48 hours, you're doing it wrong.
I have countelss stories of customers who made a snapshot forgot about it
3 months later they do a reboot or something and vmware consolidates the disk
we had a customer with a mission critical vm offline for >24 hours because it took 2 days to consolidate their data
(was like a 4tb vm)
snapshots are intended for short term use only"Oh ya these are just for short term. For example if you update and it screws something up you can revert. Once you test and make sure it's ok then delete it. I don't know how VMware does snapshots, but with LVM you can also export it. So you can take the snapshot and save it to a file, and if an issue does come up later down the road, you can just dd the file to the LVM again.
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@johnhooks said:
@Ambarishrh said:
I completed a test server with LVM. Did a split of /var on a separate disk and also moved /home to that, so that if something fills up this / doesn't get affected.
Overall it was very easy to extend the disk space and was a very good experience. Thanks once again @scottalanmiller
Another good thing to do is leave a small amount of space free (enough to cover the diff) so that you can do a snapshot of the LVM. If you update and it borks something you can revert to the snapshot, or even export the snapshot for a backup.
Since it's on VMware it's not that big of a deal because you have the snapshots for the vm itself, however on a physical machine it's useful.
However, it IS useful to be able to do snapshots programatically and uniformly from inside of the OS. There are times that this would make sense and you can do it in a uniform way across physical and virtual machines, across all filesystems, across all hypervisors.
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@Ambarishrh said:
regarding snapshots, this is what i heard from our hosting provider support team.
He says "big rule.
DO NOT LEAVE SNAPSHOTS AROUND.
if it exists for >48 hours, you're doing it wrong.
I have countelss stories of customers who made a snapshot forgot about it
3 months later they do a reboot or something and vmware consolidates the disk
we had a customer with a mission critical vm offline for >24 hours because it took 2 days to consolidate their data
(was like a 4tb vm)
snapshots are intended for short term use only"That is generally true, on VMware. That's a VMware shortcoming. If you are making lots of snaps and just letting them sit around, Vmware isn't going to be happy and eventually will fail, I've seen it.
If you are on more advanced systems like Scale, you do not have these kinds of limitations. It's not an intrinsic nature of snapshots to need to be very short term, it is the nature of how VMware implemented them.
Even if your snaps don't cause problems down the road, you would still probably not want to just collect them at random. But keeping long term rollbacks is not a big issue. XO even has rolling backups as a standard feature on XenServer.
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@johnhooks said:
Oh ya these are just for short term. For example if you update and it screws something up you can revert. Once you test and make sure it's ok then delete it. I don't know how VMware does snapshots, but with LVM you can also export it. So you can take the snapshot and save it to a file, and if an issue does come up later down the road, you can just dd the file to the LVM again.
Same with VMware. The creation of snapshots is, under the hood, how their backup API works. When tools like Veeam or Unitrends talk to VMware and tell it that they want to take a backup, Vmware takes a snap for them, exports it to them, then deletes the snap "immediately" so you don't even know that it happened that way.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
Oh ya these are just for short term. For example if you update and it screws something up you can revert. Once you test and make sure it's ok then delete it. I don't know how VMware does snapshots, but with LVM you can also export it. So you can take the snapshot and save it to a file, and if an issue does come up later down the road, you can just dd the file to the LVM again.
Same with VMware. The creation of snapshots is, under the hood, how their backup API works. When tools like Veeam or Unitrends talk to VMware and tell it that they want to take a backup, Vmware takes a snap for them, exports it to them, then deletes the snap "immediately" so you don't even know that it happened that way.
Good to know. I've never needed to use VMware so I have no experience with it at all.
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@johnhooks said:
Good to know. I've never needed to use VMware.
And probably you never will.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
Good to know. I've never needed to use VMware.
And probably you never will.
Hopefully not, but it seems a ton of places around here use it.
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@Ambarishrh said:
i know there will be questions on why vmware. (that is decided already based on several factors and management decision).
Why not XenServer? =P
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Well, we are moving from Xen to VmWare!
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@Ambarishrh said:
Well, we are moving from Xen to VmWare!
That's just sad. Huge loss of features, 20% more hardware needed, loss of community support levels (they still exist, just aren't as good), massive increase in monetary loss. Why would anyone go from the best to the worst voluntarily?
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Anyways, i won't lose the joy of using xen as i just upgraded my home server xen and added XO
