Organization and reference tools
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@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
On the Windows/other OS debate: I work with random SMB's almost daily, and in my own personal experience, I come across a very small percentage that are not 80-100% Windows-based.
Products like Unitrends, Synology, ReadyNAS, FreePBX, Elastix, etc. bring in Linux where shops still think that they are Windows shops even when much of their core workloads are on Linux servers.
Using a Unitrends appliance in an all-Windows environment hardly equals "much of their core workloads" on Linux.
How often do you find backup appliances being installed in shops that do not also have storage appliances?
Quite often. More than 50%.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
On the Windows/other OS debate: I work with random SMB's almost daily, and in my own personal experience, I come across a very small percentage that are not 80-100% Windows-based.
Products like Unitrends, Synology, ReadyNAS, FreePBX, Elastix, etc. bring in Linux where shops still think that they are Windows shops even when much of their core workloads are on Linux servers.
of course that's correct, but the end users (or even admins) aren't interacting with the Linux stuff at all - so as far as most of them might know it could be Windows or OSX or Linux.. who cares, because they never manage that part of the system.
This reminds of the other day when you asked me if the receptionist is bragging about her company having a SAN. If you're not managing that part of the system, it might as well not even exist when it comes to looking at what a company is running OS wise because it just doesn't matter.
When that company running a unitrends box who mostly has Windows desktops looks to move to Mac desktops (example only) they aren't going to say - but the unitrends is Linux.. instead they are going to say.. hey, does Unitrends backup Macs? and move on based on the answer... not caring what underlying OS is on that box.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@art_of_shred said:
On the Windows/other OS debate: I work with random SMB's almost daily, and in my own personal experience, I come across a very small percentage that are not 80-100% Windows-based.
Products like Unitrends, Synology, ReadyNAS, FreePBX, Elastix, etc. bring in Linux where shops still think that they are Windows shops even when much of their core workloads are on Linux servers.
of course that's correct, but the end users (or even admins) aren't interacting with the Linux stuff at all - so as far as most of them might know it could be Windows or OSX or Linux.. who cares, because they never manage that part of the system.
That's what I suspect. Just as tons of companies report that they don't use cloud computing even many years after moving key workloads there, tons of companies report that they are all or nearly all Windows long after tons of key workloads have moved to Linux.
I suspect many people running Windows on Azure have no idea that there is Linux in the infrastructure that they are using.
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How would a company not know they are using Cloud resources? Obviously if you're disconnected from those things you don't know.. but if you are managing them.. then you know.
it's not the same as saying you don't have any linux in house when your using a Unitrends box. In that case you don't know what's under the hood. But to go cloud - You know you moved your processing/data/whatever somewhere else (unless you have a self hosted cloud)...
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@Dashrender said:
How would a company not know they are using Cloud resources? Obviously if you're disconnected from those things you don't know.. but if you are managing them.. then you know.
You'd be shocked how often people don't know. It is estimated by many sources that most companies don't know what they are using any more.
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@Dashrender said:
it's not the same as saying you don't have any linux in house when your using a Unitrends box. In that case you don't know what's under the hood. But to go cloud - You know you moved your processing/data/whatever somewhere else (unless you have a self hosted cloud)...
Many people do not know this. Most people do not know this. Remember that when moving to hosted you might not involve IT. Hosted services are used by many companies to bypass IT. Or they do it by accident. Of IT people don't know what they've done.
It's far more common than you would imagine.
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I never considered the by passing of IT.. so sure, our new EHR is 'cloud' hosted... so we're using it I guess.
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@Dashrender said:
I never considered the by passing of IT.. so sure, our new EHR is 'cloud' hosted... so we're using it I guess.
Exactly. How many people in your organization would say that you used cloud services? How many would say that your core is cloud based? If you went to ten organizations similar to yours and asked the same question how many would respond in what way?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I never considered the by passing of IT.. so sure, our new EHR is 'cloud' hosted... so we're using it I guess.
Exactly. How many people in your organization would say that you used cloud services? How many would say that your core is cloud based? If you went to ten organizations similar to yours and asked the same question how many would respond in what way?
Interesting question. I still wouldn't say that we are cloud based as a core, because I read core as what I'm doing inside my own walls. It appears that to you core means what your LOB app is.
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@Dashrender said:
Interesting question. I still wouldn't say that we are cloud based as a core, because I read core as what I'm doing inside my own walls. It appears that to you core means what your LOB app is.
If you asked the owners / doctors what the core function of your IT was... would they think that it was the LOB or that it was.... other stuff?
The core is what runs operations, not what IT uses.
