Solved difference between IP PBX and IP Centrex
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It's sad when super poor countries like Nicaragua are so far and away more business friendly and technologically advanced. No issues with VoIP or anything else here. No legal restrictions on communications.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i think that VOIP Providers are considered a dangerous threat to the ISP for this reason they prohibit them form making business in the country
I'm sure that they are. But remember that Office 365, Google Apps, most instant messaging platforms, WebEx, Join.me and others are all VoIP platforms too. Do you have any of those?
lol, of course i have,
but when it come to telephony, most businesses need local phone numbers not long strange numbers that the voip provider give, this is the limitation we have when it comes to telephony, -
@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i think that VOIP Providers are considered a dangerous threat to the ISP for this reason they prohibit them form making business in the country
I'm sure that they are. But remember that Office 365, Google Apps, most instant messaging platforms, WebEx, Join.me and others are all VoIP platforms too. Do you have any of those?
lol, of course i have,
but when it come to telephony, most businesses need local phone numbers not long strange numbers that the voip provider give, this is the limitation we have when it comes to telephony,Those are all telephony platforms. Your limitations are that local numbers are owned by the government and has nothing to do with VoIP. You are mixing concepts. You are not limited from having VoIP. You are only restricted from getting local numbers from enterprise, modern carriers. Those might have similar effects but are not at all the same problem.
You can get VoIP no problem. Tons of businesses even in the US don't use local numbers that often. Sure they "all" have them, but their use is declining. If businesses were in such a country and using local numbers guaranteed that you were using old, backwards technology it seems that competent companies would look for alternatives and business partners that do alternatives quickly.
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I realize the complications caused by not being able to get "government recognized local numbers." But like many things, what "is local" is only valuable because all of the companies that you do business with make it valuable. If the companies wanted to they could stop recognizing what the government forces them to use as "local" or even as "competent" and move on. There is a business-class solution there that people are ignoring for whatever reason. Laziness, cluelessness, lack of caring, whatever.
Just because you lack democracy politically does not mean that you do not have it financially. The issue that you have blocking VoIP as a solution is caused by a "group think" mentality in the businesses, not strictly by the government.
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@scottalanmiller yeah you can use VOIP even freely like skype, viber..... but VOIP without local number doesn't make any sense at least in our local culture, no one will call you business phone number if it is strange, i mean it is useless, so VOIP without the ability to get local numbers is like nothing
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@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller yeah you can use VOIP even freely like skype, viber..... but VOIP without local number doesn't make any sense at least in our local culture, no one will call you business phone number if it is strange, i mean it is useless, so VOIP without the ability to get local numbers is like nothing
That's the decision of the local culture, though, and completely different than restricting VoIP. It is a decision that every person behaving that way makes to empower the government monopoly. I realize that culture is what culture is, but it is very important that the government is simply taking advantage of a power that the people are willfully and voluntarily handing to them every day. At any moment the people could simply wake up, realize how ridiculous they are being and be free of those costs and problems overnight.
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In much of the world, especially the developed world, the idea of "local numbers" is rapidly fading. Even in the US where those feelings were strong people struggle to even know what people mean by local numbers anymore. And the US did not have the kinds of problems that Qatar has.
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yeah i see what you mean, we are the ones who created this limitation for ourselves, and the winner is the ISP
actually it is very hard to change this idea from the peoples mind -
@IT-ADMIN said:
yeah i see what you mean, we are the ones who created this limitation for ourselves, and the winner is the ISP
actually it is very hard to change this idea from the peoples mindCorrect, the people and the businesses have allowed their "rights", in a way, to be eroded away by being lazy. Or by having bizarre prejudice based on a phone number. People everywhere are very easily manipulated in these ways, it is not unique to being there, but it does show just how incredibly easily it can happen and how impactful something that seems really small can be.
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It's not as simple as all that though.
Let's say that his office decided to change to another countries phone number, That more than likely means that all of their customers will have to make long distance calls to call them. Unless their wireless carriers are like US ones where calling between states is no longer considered long distance (yet most home service still considers it long distance) most people would be charged for calling them. This can be a huge blow to business.
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@Dashrender said:
It's not as simple as all that though.
Let's say that his office decided to change to another countries phone number, That more than likely means that all of their customers will have to make long distance calls to call them. Unless their wireless carriers are like US ones where calling between states is no longer considered long distance (yet most home service still considers it long distance) most people would be charged for calling them. This can be a huge blow to business.
That's a risk, of course, but only if they go to another country's phone numbers. There are two good choices here:
- Everyone agree to use a country that is large, near and practical. That might be India, Egypt or Turkey. I'm not sure which country has the scale, infrastructure and good laws to make this make the most sense. Then just use those numbers and everything works just fine.
- Drop the PSTN completely and leapfrog the rest of the world. Go to Skype and leave the rest of us in the technology dust.
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@scottalanmiller said:
- Drop the PSTN completely and leapfrog the rest of the world. Go to Skype and leave the rest of us in the technology dust.
how would that work? Skype? really?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
- Drop the PSTN completely and leapfrog the rest of the world. Go to Skype and leave the rest of us in the technology dust.
how would that work? Skype? really?
What do you mean how? The same way traditional phone numbers do, instead of giving out a string of hard to remember numbers you give out an easy to remember username.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
- Drop the PSTN completely and leapfrog the rest of the world. Go to Skype and leave the rest of us in the technology dust.
how would that work? Skype? really?
Already huge portions of the world (not countries but businesses) that have done this. The PSTN is already bypassed in many places. Skype is a pretty ideal way to handle this, actually.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
- Drop the PSTN completely and leapfrog the rest of the world. Go to Skype and leave the rest of us in the technology dust.
how would that work? Skype? really?
What do you mean how? The same way traditional phone numbers do, instead of giving out a string of hard to remember numbers you give out an easy to remember username.
Other than it being a proprietary Microsoft product with an annoying interface, Skype is actually really, really good for this.
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And you can do direct SIP too. The VoIP world does not require the PSTN to operate.
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LOL I completely understand how skype works, but setting up your business to be solely on Skype seems, well, odd. I'm sorry customer, I don't have a phone number, I have a Skype account.
Does Skype support call centers? You can dial into a call center through Skype?
Then there's that fact that the NSA has direct taps into Skype and is listening to everything that flows through it... not a fan of that in the least.
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@Dashrender said:
Then there's that fact that the NSA has direct taps into Skype and is listening to everything that flows through it... not a fan of that in the least.
And they don't into the PSTN?
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@Dashrender said:
Does Skype support call centers? You can dial into a call center through Skype?
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@Dashrender said:
I'm sorry customer, I don't have a phone number, I have a Skype account.
I've been seeing companies doing this for years. Less common in the US where the phone system is more or less open and business ready. In a country where there isn't a free and business quality phone network it would make so much more sense. And it isn't "we don't have a phone number" it is "we have a modern phone, call us there."
