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@scottalanmiller said:
I think most people are heading towards 10 years these days. I still have my "new" laptop and it was purchased in early 2012. That's 3.5 years now. Still snappy and newer than almost anyone that I know that buys as a normal consumer.
That blows my mind. I have a 5 year old ( 2010 ) iMac and it's too slow for me to put up with for even web browsing. I can't imagine how tedious and painful it'd be to use a 10 year old system.
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@creayt said:
That blows my mind. I have a 5 year old ( 2010 ) iMac and it's too slow for me to put up with for even web browsing. I can't imagine how tedious and painful it'd be to use a 10 year old system.
If you had something other than an iMac you'd probably find web browsing to be just fine. My desktop is seven years old and the web experience is the same as my brand new MacBook Pro i7 with 16GB.
If you think about all the people still running Windows XP, those people all have machines that are not too far off from ten years. XP is 14 years old now. Windows Vista will be a decade old soon. A decent machine from the Vista era is really not bad at all for basic tasks. When you look at what normal people use a computer for there are generally two camps: gamers who need the latest stuff and normal users for whom a well treated decade old machine isn't all that old.
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Agreed - for typical day to day tasks a 7-10 year old machine really does do OK as long as you don't have to much OS rot. Often an OS reinstall (especially of XP - but why are you still running that) will resolve those kinds of problems. Of course an SSD and 4+ GB of RAM will greatly improve any experience on those older machines too.
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@Dashrender said:
Agreed - for typical day to day tasks a 7-10 year old machine really does do OK as long as you don't have to much OS rot. Often an OS reinstall (especially of XP - but why are you still running that) will resolve those kinds of problems. Of course an SSD and 4+ GB of RAM will greatly improve any experience on those older machines too.
Yes, normal maintenance applies. Regular OS reinstalls and updates, moving to SSD and enough RAM goes a LONG way.
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Interestingly enough, there's a quote from Anandtech from an article yesterday saying that PC update cycles average about 3-4 years. Thought that was interesting.
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@creayt said:
Interestingly enough, there's a quote from Anandtech from an article yesterday saying that PC update cycles average about 3-4 years. Thought that was interesting.
Remember that Anandtech is a gaming and enthusiast site. I don't think that that applies to normal users but singled out to a specific audience.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@creayt said:
Interestingly enough, there's a quote from Anandtech from an article yesterday saying that PC update cycles average about 3-4 years. Thought that was interesting.
Remember that Anandtech is a gaming and enthusiast site. I don't think that that applies to normal users but singled out to a specific audience.
Yeah I have to agree with Scott here, the average PC life is probably closer to 6 years - or when it dies.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yeah I have to agree with Scott here, the average PC life is probably closer to 6 years - or when it dies.
Which hopefully is rarely under six years. Machines dying under that is not normal for quality commercial desktops.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yeah I have to agree with Scott here, the average PC life is probably closer to 6 years - or when it dies.
Which hopefully is rarely under six years. Machines dying under that is not normal for quality commercial desktops.
I thought we were talking about typical home users - you made mention that the article was talking specifically about gamers getting new machines every 3-4 years.. well gamers are home users.. so in contrast you'd have to consider typical home users, not business users.
And typical home users are buying Best Buy or Walmart specials, not quality commercial desktops.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yeah I have to agree with Scott here, the average PC life is probably closer to 6 years - or when it dies.
Which hopefully is rarely under six years. Machines dying under that is not normal for quality commercial desktops.
I thought we were talking about typical home users - you made mention that the article was talking specifically about gamers getting new machines every 3-4 years.. well gamers are home users.. so in contrast you'd have to consider typical home users, not business users.
And typical home users are buying Best Buy or Walmart specials, not quality commercial desktops.
Oh sorry, that's true. But still, home machines I would hope to see getting at least six years as an average if not a lot more. Commercial I expect averages pushing twelve!
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@creayt said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I think most people are heading towards 10 years these days. I still have my "new" laptop and it was purchased in early 2012. That's 3.5 years now. Still snappy and newer than almost anyone that I know that buys as a normal consumer.
That blows my mind. I have a 5 year old ( 2010 ) iMac and it's too slow for me to put up with for even web browsing. I can't imagine how tedious and painful it'd be to use a 10 year old system.
The only reason that is because Apple is more restrictive with upgrades than windows. They lock out older models anymore so you can't upgrade the your browser gets out of date. Chrome stops new updates for the old os, then flash and Java and then no OS security patches. Yeah it's a lock in to make you buy a new computer just to get a newer OS that would work fine on the current one.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Yeah I have to agree with Scott here, the average PC life is probably closer to 6 years - or when it dies.
Which hopefully is rarely under six years. Machines dying under that is not normal for quality commercial desktops.
I thought we were talking about typical home users - you made mention that the article was talking specifically about gamers getting new machines every 3-4 years.. well gamers are home users.. so in contrast you'd have to consider typical home users, not business users.
And typical home users are buying Best Buy or Walmart specials, not quality commercial desktops.
True. We replace on a 3 yr cycle too. So we replace 1/3 or more computers per yeah. Monitors aren't always replaced.
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@thecreativeone91 Ditto, and we never replace monitors either. They seem to fail reliably at the 5yr mark in a hot dusty environment so we cycle all the oldest / crap ones through the gym & front desk locations.
