Surface Pro 3 quirks
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Aww.. OK thanks...
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Wow what crappy Chip have the been using for Wifi.
Have you checked for a BIOS/UEFI Update? sounds like the it's the sleep state in the BIOS.It really seems like the devices are really meant to be Demos for other manufacturers to compete against and design off of rather than actually to just sell these units. I've heard of a lot of issues with the Surface Pro series. I haven't use the 3 yet. But the Surface Pro 2 had enough issues.
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The 3 is MUCH better than the 2 was. I really have only had a couple issues, Hibernation and the wifi range. Well that and I will fall over if trying to use it on my lap
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@thecreativeone91 said:
It really seems like the devices are really meant to be Demos for other manufacturers to compete against and design off of rather than actually to just sell these units
Microsoft has stated as much. MS wanted vendors to see what could be done, and also hope to show that consumers and businesses wanted things like this.
While this exact form factor hasn't been replicated, the clip on full hinged keyboards have grown some legs.
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@Dashrender said:
While this exact form factor hasn't been replicated, the clip on full hinged keyboards have grown some legs.
Didn't that come from Apple? I've never had a surface but I've had devices with those keyboards. Boy do I hate those keyboards.
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I'm talking about something like this.
The keyboard has a full fledged hinge so when you are using this device you get all the advantages of a normal laptop... then you can pull the monitor portion off and use it a like a tablet.
This type of device would seem to be the best of all worlds. It would be even better if you could fold it all the way back like a Yoga and use the keyboard a stand when you wanted.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm talking about something like this.
The keyboard has a full fledged hinge so when you are using this device you get all the advantages of a normal laptop... then you can pull the monitor portion off and use it a like a tablet.
This type of device would seem to be the best of all worlds. It would be even better if you could fold it all the way back like a Yoga and use the keyboard a stand when you wanted.
Yeah, magnets and keyboard connected by them. Maybe MS did it first but it seemed established when I first saw it from them. Just not popular because it worked so poorly since it is floppy.
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Apple probably did bring to market the magnetic mount option... thinking the iPad cover... but I don't recall a keyboard using this method in the past, or since.
But the lack of a real hinge is what really kills the usefulness of the Surface Pro devices. No lapability, you have to fumble a bit when moving place to place unlike a normal laptop.
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@Dashrender said:
But the lack of a real hinge is what really kills the usefulness of the Surface Pro devices. No lapability, you have to fumble a bit when moving place to place unlike a normal laptop.
I've had magentically attached keyboard on the iPad for a while. But they mostly suck. No more than the Surface does, but about the same. Might not have been first, but I thought that it was around for a long time just no one but MS though it was sane to make it a standard approach.
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They are different products for almost completely different uses.
The iPad was designed for consumption only, and found it's way into creation uses.
The Surface Pro series I think was hoped to be by it's creators to be an out of the gate truly hybrid device - both consumption and creation, hence the need for a keyboard from day one.
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@Dashrender said:
The Surface Pro series I think was hoped to be by it's creators to be an out of the gate truly hybrid device - both consumption and creation, hence the need for a keyboard from day one.
I find that hard to accept based on the physical format of the device. It is really suitable only for content consumption. It's lack of usable form factor and keyboard put it squarely in line with the iPad.
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I've only had minor quirks but yes, sometimes it doesn't want to wake up...
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The Surface Pro series I think was hoped to be by it's creators to be an out of the gate truly hybrid device - both consumption and creation, hence the need for a keyboard from day one.
I find that hard to accept based on the physical format of the device. It is really suitable only for content consumption. It's lack of usable form factor and keyboard put it squarely in line with the iPad.
So is the laptop the only conceivable form factor that is portable and made for creation?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
But the lack of a real hinge is what really kills the usefulness of the Surface Pro devices. No lapability, you have to fumble a bit when moving place to place unlike a normal laptop.
I've had magentically attached keyboard on the iPad for a while. But they mostly suck. No more than the Surface does, but about the same. Might not have been first, but I thought that it was around for a long time just no one but MS though it was sane to make it a standard approach.
That's why I like this HP Pro X2 612. Works great as a tablet or a laptop. Asus made one before HP. Actually a few. I had the Core i7 16GB ram 13.3" screen model. The problem with the Asus one was it was too big to be a tablet. Too big to not tip over in your lap because it was heavy. And had no dock options aside from the USB3.0 Docks, which sucks. The HP Pro x2 612 has a full dock with does many monitors natively and works just like a normal laptop dock. It will even charge the dual batteries (the tablet has a 7hr battery, and the keyboard has a battery that will make it last 14hrs when attached. It uses the keyboard battery first when attached.)
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The only thing that makes this an annoying device to use on your lap is the kick stand. The keyboard is fine and stable on it's own. As I said somewhere yesterday is a case that makes it more stable this is now fine to use on my lap. The keyboard is ridged enough on it's own and has a decent feeling to it. It's not a mechanical keyboard by any stretch but it is decent.
The keyboards for the Ipad really aren't that great for the most part. The best one I have is the apple wireless one with the origami case for the keyboard. http://www.amazon.com/Incase-Origami-Workstation-iPad-Black/dp/B004X355Y6/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1432234623&sr=1-1&keywords=origami+apple+keyboard+case
I have tried out a few cases for the IPad that have the keyboard attached and they are bad.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
While this exact form factor hasn't been replicated, the clip on full hinged keyboards have grown some legs.
Didn't that come from Apple? I've never had a surface but I've had devices with those keyboards. Boy do I hate those keyboards.
I think third parties did them for the iPads first. I don't think Apple did. They might be the first that used chicklet keys though. But I actually like them.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The Surface Pro series I think was hoped to be by it's creators to be an out of the gate truly hybrid device - both consumption and creation, hence the need for a keyboard from day one.
I find that hard to accept based on the physical format of the device. It is really suitable only for content consumption. It's lack of usable form factor and keyboard put it squarely in line with the iPad.
So is the laptop the only conceivable form factor that is portable and made for creation?
I don't think touch input will ever beat a keyboard as much as some people want it too. Touch is great for some things. But not typing unless its some causal light typing.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
While this exact form factor hasn't been replicated, the clip on full hinged keyboards have grown some legs.
Didn't that come from Apple? I've never had a surface but I've had devices with those keyboards. Boy do I hate those keyboards.
I think third parties did them for the iPads first. I don't think Apple did. They might be the first that used chicklet keys though. But I actually like them.
That's correct, definitely not Apple themselves. But Apple made the interface for it.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
The Surface Pro series I think was hoped to be by it's creators to be an out of the gate truly hybrid device - both consumption and creation, hence the need for a keyboard from day one.
I find that hard to accept based on the physical format of the device. It is really suitable only for content consumption. It's lack of usable form factor and keyboard put it squarely in line with the iPad.
So is the laptop the only conceivable form factor that is portable and made for creation?
I don't think touch input will ever beat a keyboard as much as some people want it too. Touch is great for some things. But not typing unless its some causal light typing.
It's totally true. Keyboards have endured for over a century for a reason - they work and they work great.
