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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Now we're starting to border on civil asset forfeiture. If anything, the person needs to be responsible for what their vehicle does.
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@NerdyDad said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Now we're starting to border on civil asset forfeiture. If anything, the person needs to be responsible for what their vehicle does.
That's a problem, though, as you can only assign responsibility if they are given control. Otherwise, we are making people criminals based on things out of their control. I'd say that that mandates, at a minimum, guaranteed control of the software and open source by law.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@NerdyDad said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Now we're starting to border on civil asset forfeiture. If anything, the person needs to be responsible for what their vehicle does.
That's a problem, though, as you can only assign responsibility if they are given control. Otherwise, we are making people criminals based on things out of their control. I'd say that that mandates, at a minimum, guaranteed control of the software and open source by law.
Of course neither of those things are going to happen though.
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@NerdyDad said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Now we're starting to border on civil asset forfeiture. If anything, the person needs to be responsible for what their vehicle does.
That's a problem, though, as you can only assign responsibility if they are given control. Otherwise, we are making people criminals based on things out of their control. I'd say that that mandates, at a minimum, guaranteed control of the software and open source by law.
Of course neither of those things are going to happen though.
Nope, which is why holding the car owner responsible can't be even considered.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Now we're starting to border on civil asset forfeiture. If anything, the person needs to be responsible for what their vehicle does.
That's a problem, though, as you can only assign responsibility if they are given control. Otherwise, we are making people criminals based on things out of their control. I'd say that that mandates, at a minimum, guaranteed control of the software and open source by law.
Of course neither of those things are going to happen though.
Nope, which is why holding the car owner responsible can't be even considered.
Which means to me that personal vehicle ownership will probably be a thing of the past in the near-ish future.... aside from some hangers-on. People will refuse to take the liability of a software they can't "control" and pass it up to the companies that sell the cars...
Of course I'm assuming an agency for consumers that they don't actually posses.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Was that supposed to be a vehicle recommendation as well?
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@travisdh1 said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Was that supposed to be a vehicle recommendation as well?
Just doing my civic duty.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@travisdh1 said in Non-IT News Thread:
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@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@coliver said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews said in Non-IT News Thread:
How to ticket self parking cars?
How often will they really need to ticket them? I know there will be exceptions but in reality they will be able to follow all rules of the road and innovate new rules/laws.
Able to follow, and made to follow aren't the same, though. Forcing your car to break the law or breaking the law with a car that allows manual override will be major factors.
But that would still be a person behind the wheel at that point, at least in the case of a manual override.
Right, which is why ticketing is potentially needed. How do you ticket a self driving car after it has been parked? Because you don't know if there was a software issue, a miscommunication of parking rules or a human parked of their own accord.
Was that supposed to be a vehicle recommendation as well?
Just doing my civic duty.
It's a super duty for sure.
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I actually need one of these...
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Dust storm chokes Beijing and northern China
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
Dust storm chokes Beijing and northern China
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39801555That looks unpleasant.
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Projections say that Macron has won in France.
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Seems like we have laws specifically to prevent this type of thing.
