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Coronavirus was already in Italy by December, waste water study finds
Italian scientists say sewage water from two cities contained coronavirus traces in December, long before the country's first confirmed cases.
The National Institute of Health (ISS) said water from Milan and Turin showed genetic virus traces on 18 December. It adds to evidence from other countries that the virus may have been circulating much earlier than thought. Chinese officials confirmed the first cases at the end of December. Italy's first case was in mid-February. In May French scientists said tests on samples showed a patient treated for suspected pneumonia near Paris on 27 December actually had the coronavirus. -
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/19/entertainment/ian-holm-death-scli-intl-gbr/index.html
Damn, we just had a random thread about him last week as his Cornelius character from the Fifth Element.
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Arctic Circle sees 'hottest-ever' temperatures
Temperatures in the Arctic Circle are likely to have hit an all-time record on Saturday, reaching a scorching 38C (100F) in Verkhoyansk, a Siberian town.
The record still needs to be verified, but it appears to have been 18C higher than the average maximum daily temperature in June. Hot summer weather is not uncommon in the Arctic Circle, but recent months have seen abnormally high temperatures. The Arctic is believed to be warming twice as fast as the global average. Verkhoyansk, home to about 1,300 people, sits just inside the Arctic Circle, in remote Siberia. It has an extreme climate with temperatures plunging in January to an average maximum of -42C and then surging in June to 20C. But a persistent heatwave this year in the Arctic Circle has worried meteorologists. In March, April and May, the Copernicus Climate Change service reported that the average temperature was around 10C above normal. -
Coronavirus: Ireland set to launch contact-trace app
Ireland's health authority plans to press ahead with the launch of a coronavirus contact-tracing app based on Apple and Google's technology.
The Health Service Executive told the BBC that it would submit a memo to government this week, and "subject to approval" would launch its Covid Tracker app shortly after. The move comes despite concerns raised about the tech's accuracy in its current state. The UK is worried about false alerts. And researchers advising the Irish effort have also questioned whether the software should be rolled out in its current state. Ireland would follow Germany in deploying such an app nationwide. -
Mexico Hit with 7.7 mag quake just a few minutes ago.
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Getting news feeds or click bait alerts talking about a complete shutdown in Utah.
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Coronavirus: US cases at highest level for two months
New Covid-19 cases in the US have risen to their highest level in two months, according to Johns Hopkins University, which is tracking the outbreak.
On Tuesday the US reported 34,700 new cases - the third highest daily tally since the US outbreak began, according to AP news agency. States including Arizona, California, Mississippi, Nevada and Texas had record numbers of new cases, AP said. Health officials say the coming weeks will be crucial to stem the outbreaks. On Tuesday America's top infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci told lawmakers there was "a disturbing surge of infection" and "increased community spread" in many southern and western states. -
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
Yeah, that's what a lot of people see. There are essentially two large camps that I know of on the "stay locked down" side.
One is full lock down with most businesses failing. No one does anything.
The other is reasonable lock down where you can still have businesses open, but large scale distancing, face masks, and such is completely mandatory with huge penalties and enforcement. This, if enforced well, can do like 90% or better of the first.
Then the other side basically says that business needs are more important and/or individual liberties to not function in concern for others overrides the health benefits and we should behave as normal and it's just sad that lots of people die.
Those three things are pretty much the three options when people are talking about it. Texas went for #3 and most people support it, and there is a price to be paid no matter which one you choose.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
The solution is not one of the extremes... It's not a 100% lock down, and it's not 100% ignoring COVID-19. Perhaps it's the responsibility of every individual to do their part; keep social distancing, keep sanitary, etc... To stop participating in large gatherings... Why's the US becoming the worst in the world? I'm guessing it's the fact the whole thing has been nothing but used politically... Like everything else.
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The problem with #3 in my mind is - we have no clue what the long term effects are - we don't know if you get immunity for some period of time, etc.
While I personally fall more on the #3 side, I can understand and get behind #2 very easily. I consider #1 a total non option.
#2 two still kills many things/businesses though - concerts, amusement parks, cruises, heck - mass travel (air plane, buses, trains) all all pretty much dead on #2.
huh - even video entertainment will take a huge hit under #2 - TV/Movie sets could have real issues under #2 assuming they would be allowed at all.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
The problem with #3 in my mind is - we have no clue what the long term effects are - we don't know if you get immunity for some period of time, etc.
That's a problem with all three. We just don't know what any of it will do long term yet.
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@Obsolesce said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
My only comfort is morbid: the scump voters that die will not vote, and I retain hope that those who get sick will realize how serious it is and how flippant Dear Leader has been, and change their vote.
I definitely see where you're coming from here - but really - truly, what do you see as the long term solution to this problem? lockdown for a year? 2 ? until there is a vaccine - what if 5 years goes by and no vaccine?
The solution is not one of the extremes... It's not a 100% lock down, and it's not 100% ignoring COVID-19. Perhaps it's the responsibility of every individual to do their part; keep social distancing, keep sanitary, etc... To stop participating in large gatherings... Why's the US becoming the worst in the world? I'm guessing it's the fact the whole thing has been nothing but used politically... Like everything else.
Sure - I guess. Though I don't think that's the only thing. We've had a massive amount of massive gatherings in the US lately because of the inequality outrage, let alone the fact of being under lock down for 3 months - people just want to gather.
How is that second part not happening around the world? I haven't actually heard - Is Europe is under a general lockdown?
I know a lot of the US started easing lockdown in early/mid May, if the EU started in late May/early June, they might see similar rises in another 2 weeks or so.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
#2 two still kills many things/businesses though - concerts, amusement parks, cruises, heck - mass travel (air plane, buses, trains) all all pretty much dead on #2.
Yes, but it also keeps many afloat. And killing huge swathes of the public and making people afraid to go to all those things might kill them off, too. You can make a good argument that #2 might protect many of those businesses better than #3 will long term.
There is also a strong argument that if a business can't survive through adaptation that it has no right to exist. Free market, capitalism.
And not all businesses are good. Lots of us are hoping that the cruise industry fails here. It doesn't pay taxes, it operates outside the law, it often borders on slavery, and it would be nice if it just didn't exist. Just because something is a business does mean we want it to survive, or that it has a right to. Every business needs to have prepared for and be ready to adapt to changing conditions. If we make decisions just to protect certain businesses, rather than acting in the good of the public, we've become communists and we are using "planned economy" instead of the free market.
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@Grey said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@mlnews TX broke the 3K in one day barrier one week ago, the 4K barrier four days ago, the 5K barrier yesterday. We expect to have six thousand new cases per day in the next 48 hours.
Texas as a total is now at over 900% that of NY, and the DFW alone is double NY. Houston passed hospital capacity yesterday, Austin expects in the next few days. Dallas has a little spare, for the moment.
OK, that's all fine and good - how are the hospitals?
NYC was (at least claiming) to be over run with covid patients. While they never officially ran out of ventilators, they were sure squaking like they had. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the lock down reduced case load, allowing them to not run out, so I'm not saying lock down was a total bad thing...but really - how many of these "new cases" are because we are testing so many more per day now than we were months ago? Are nearly all of these new cases symptomatic?
If you didn't test for a pregnancy, there'd be far fewer of them!
definitely not the same comparable thing. If you're pregnant - at the end there's a baby... if you have Covid and you're asymptotic after you're no longer infectious, you have no clue.
