What are web based apps?
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I'm trying to work on my tack. Something that sometimes I'm sorely lacking in.
For example, I wanted to start by telling this guy that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He's claiming that since they don't use SQL or something like SQL that whatever DB they are using sucks - but he has no clue what DB they are using (I asked him).
While I'm sure he's complaining about performance as well, that's not the goal of his complaint. His main complaint is how the pages function. For example, there is a list of options on a page that just scroll forever, there is no way to click an arrow (for example) and shrink up that portion of the page, instead you just have to keep scrolling to get to the next section. He somehow thinks the DB has anything to do with that.
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@Dashrender said:
I wanted to start by telling this guy that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
That's all you need to say in my opinion. Of course you can lay it all politely if you want
Anyway so he doesn't know what DB they use at all, but knows it's not SQL? How does he know?
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Exactly - I'm back to the he doesn't know what the heck he's talking about.
Here's a bit more of our conversation
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I have no idea. But if it was SQL, I don't think they would have all these issues. My understanding is that SQL is platform independent.Me
I was under the impression that most if not all DBs were platform independant (at least on the User Experience side of things). As far as I understand it, the DB pretty much simply holds the data. Of course the DB can have builtin processes that help speed functions up, for example, the DB could have an index of patient names which would faster to look through than all the raw data.
The crux is the User Interface (UI), sometimes called the User Experience (UX) has limitations. For example, I think (though I could be completely wrong) that xxxxx was originally based on .Net. 10 years ago there were tons of programmers flooding the market, so shops like xxxxxx could pick these programmers up cheap. The problem of course is that the only browser that fully supported .Net was Internet Explorer.
Now that MS has released .Net into the Open Source environment, we'll probably see a lot of other browsers pick up support for it.NS
Correct. The database is in the background, the UI is what determines the front end experience. But some databases are more "agnostic" than others when it comes to how they handle a data call. And xxxxx was indeed very much rooted in the whole .net environment. I suspect that whatever DB they are using, it's rooted in the same kind of legacy code and doesn't play nicely with others. -
@Dashrender Wow, "platform independent," is he describing SQL as an actual piece of software not a language/mark up? And the rest he says is just... I don't even...
Because you can have SQL front ends to many different types of databases, some non-RDBMS also have SQL front ends.
He's an expert in being ignorant as hell.
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Yep, and what's worse is that he's a physician who thinks he knows something, but it seems pretty clear that he really does not know this stuff at all.
It's one thing to be unhappy with a product, but to spout off about a bunch of stuff that's wrong... sadly other people are looking to him for guidance since he appears to know what he's talking about.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@Dashrender said:
I wanted to start by telling this guy that he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
That's all you need to say in my opinion. Of course you can lay it all politely if you want
Anyway so he doesn't know what DB they use at all, but knows it's not SQL? How does he know?
I agree, you are at a point where the guy doesn't really know what he is talking about. He neither has official info nor does he seem to really understand the terms or how they apply. He is right about some things, ActiveX is ancient and a silly way to make software. But that XHTML can talk to a database shows that he has absolutely no idea what he is saying and is just repeating terms.
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@scottalanmiller said:
But that XHTML can talk to a database shows that he has absolutely no idea what he is saying and is just repeating terms.
Could you imagine the utter fresh hell like:
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@tonyshowoff said:
@Dashrender Wow, "platform independent," is he describing SQL as an actual piece of software not a language/mark up? And the rest he says is just... I don't even...
I had the same thought. He's not aware of what any of these terms mean. Nothing he is saying really makes sense.
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@Dashrender said:
Yep, and what's worse is that he's a physician ....
Ah, that makes more sense. He sounds like a doctor. This is the state of medical education in America. This is why I fear doctors, few professions are more arrogant while being more ignorant. They have to have special education tracks to dumb things down for them. It would be a rare medical doctor that could even remotely have chosen an intellectual career track like engineering or science. The degree to which doctors are uneducated is scary and staggering.
There is a reason why I don't think that IT "professionals" should use the term "professional" because it associates us with career options like doctors which we should be embarrassed to be categorized with.
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@Dashrender said:
It's one thing to be unhappy with a product, but to spout off about a bunch of stuff that's wrong... sadly other people are looking to him for guidance since he appears to know what he's talking about.
If this is how he behaves about things so incredibly easy and public as SQL language, databases, relational theory, HTML, etc. imagine the crap that he says when acting "as a doctor." I fear for the poor souls whose lives he puts at risk.
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@tonyshowoff said:
@scottalanmiller said:
But that XHTML can talk to a database shows that he has absolutely no idea what he is saying and is just repeating terms.
Could you imagine the utter fresh hell like:
<input type="submit" sql="UPDATE ..." />tony++
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@scottalanmiller Just wait until the OOP version comes out, then you'll be afraid
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@scottalanmiller said:
If this is how he behaves about things so incredibly easy and public as SQL language, databases, relational theory, HTML, etc. imagine the crap that he says when acting "as a doctor." I fear for the poor souls whose lives he puts at risk.
^ This +1000
Refraining from ranting
