Virtualization when there is only one VM?
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
Stop running glorified desktops as servers. Buy real rack servers and put them in a rack. No sane person wants to use that as a workstation. Problem solved.
They all do. And none have racks or server rooms. So it doesn't really help.
The only real answers are "don't install Windows, Hyper-V or use AMD64 processors."
And literally, we are moving to Linux on ARM, partially for this very reason!
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@Dashrender said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
Stop running glorified desktops as servers. Buy real rack servers and put them in a rack. No sane person wants to use that as a workstation. Problem solved.
I don't consider this reasonable in most SMB setups. A desktop style server system is generally fine. Desktop servers are still huge compared to normal desktops (especially now with CD-RomLess systems, they are tiny.
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
Anyway, I haven't installed a tower server in a very, very long time. If someone only needs a simple server, we use low power short depth 1U rack servers. If you don't want to waste space, you can use a half rack or smaller and also put switches in it. And you can roll it around if you want to. Sticking to the 19" rack format just makes life easier I think. Also more flexible if you want to move a server or two to colo down the line.
Maybe not Dell but Supermicro and others have really small power efficient 1U rack servers that's like 12 inches deep. CPUs like Intel C3000, D1572 etc. They easily fit in wall racks.
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Dashrender said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
Stop running glorified desktops as servers. Buy real rack servers and put them in a rack. No sane person wants to use that as a workstation. Problem solved.
I don't consider this reasonable in most SMB setups. A desktop style server system is generally fine. Desktop servers are still huge compared to normal desktops (especially now with CD-RomLess systems, they are tiny.
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
Anyway, I haven't installed a tower server in a very, very long time. If someone only needs a simple server, we use low power short depth 1U rack servers. If you don't want to waste space, you can use a half rack or smaller and also put switches in it. And you can roll it around if you want to. Sticking to the 19" rack format just makes life easier I think. Also more flexible if you want to move a server or two to colo down the line.
I agree here, the SMB space is a lot larger than it is often described here (personnel wise). There are a lot of low cost, ready 1U server options for way cheaper and way more performant than something like a Synology. (even though that may do exactly what you need).
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 of these independant doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I agree here, the SMB space is a lot larger than it is often described here (personnel wise).
It absolutely can be, but there are far less of those than the smaller places.
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
SOHO is Small Office or Home Office. What you are describing sounds exactly like a small office.
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
This particular line isn't the issue though. Because the SMB space can range from a handful or people up to a few hundred easily.
I don't see an issue with avoiding a form factor, for the alternatives (like a 1U).
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I agree here, the SMB space is a lot larger than it is often described here (personnel wise).
It absolutely can be, but there are far less of those than the smaller places.
Agreed. But at what point does a business actually go from a SOHO to an SMB. I'm sure we've discussed this before, but the followup to that would then be, at what point does any business decide to change their form-factor?
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
SOHO is Small Office or Home Office. What you are describing sounds exactly like a small office.
I disagree with this assessment. SOHO is 1-10 employees.
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
SOHO is Small Office or Home Office. What you are describing sounds exactly like a small office.
I disagree with this assessment. SOHO is 1-10 employees.
Would you have a customer look at 1U servers if they had 11 employees? I can't imagine you would based on their employee count, but rather the practicality of changing form factors, right?
If a customer can fit a 1/4 rack in a closet would that be better than using a desktop form out on their workspace?
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
If a customer can fit a 1/4 rack in a closet would that be better than using a desktop form out on their workspace?
Hell no. That is just asking for shit to melt down. Power and heat are way better today, but still not something I would ever look at.
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
If a customer can fit a 1/4 rack in a closet would that be better than using a desktop form out on their workspace?
Hell no. That is just asking for shit to melt down. Power and heat are way better today, but still not something I would ever look at.
I was using a closet as a generic example. Literally any place "out of the way" and with conditions required for the space is what that should've been read as.
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It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Cooling etc could all be put into the space as well (but the practicality of it likely doesn't make sense).
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@Dashrender said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I was talking about IRJ's response with making the client go to the cloud.
I understood why they likely had a local server.Cool. I missed that. And I do appreciate your comments earlier... all good points.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
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@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
Ha. yeah I get it I totally do. And you can get a rack for pennies on the dollar if you are really looking.
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
You need to work with the SMB more. It's rare that someone has rack space. Like, really rare.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
Ha. yeah I get it I totally do. And you can get a rack for pennies on the dollar if you are really looking.
Cost of the rack isn't the issue. Space to put it that is safe, clean, has power, central to the cabling, can be cooled, etc.
