Reconsidering ProxMox



  • For those not aware, ProxMox is a virtualization platform that basically layers a software appliance with a web GUI (and a REST API) on top of KVM, LXC, DRBD, CEPH, ZFS and lots of other features and provides an all in one virtualization platform that includes backups and high availability all in a single, open source package.

    A number of years ago, probably close to a decade, when ProxMox first came onto a lot of our radar, we had some pretty nasty run ins with the company behind it with using employees to do fake review posts and the company got really nasty when they got caught doing this with the owner joining the community just to harass and threaten people.

    It's been many years of things being quiet, and while the behaviour was bad, everyone has a bad day (or week.) No similar problems have arisen in the years since and the product is open source and does not require that you engage the vendor for anything.

    With time having passed, is it time to give them a second chance? The project contains so many cool features and things you rarely find on the KVM and LXC platforms, does it make sense to give it another go?

    What experiences have people had? People using ProxMox seem mostly pretty happy with it.



  • While waiting on responses, we are deploying it to a test server to see how the latest 6.1 is stacking up.



  • Seen a lot of people on Reddit who love it. Myself I tried it maybe 3-4 months ago for giggles and felt too removed from the core OS/KVM to really lean anything. I am more in a learning phase so decided to pass for now.



  • I tried it out about a year ago albeit very briefly. Wanted to actually put some effort into it but had to use the host for another project.



  • It's been a long time since I used it (like 2014) but it worked really well back then. I do more with containers now so I haven't looked into using it at home.



  • @jt1001001 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    Seen a lot of people on Reddit who love it. Myself I tried it maybe 3-4 months ago for giggles and felt too removed from the core OS/KVM to really lean anything. I am more in a learning phase so decided to pass for now.

    I'm specifically evaluating for deployments primarily in small SMBs managed remotely by MSPs. So nothing intensive, but places where the built in backups and web interface are huge features.



  • The built-in backup feature was the main reason I was interested.



  • Proxmox VE backups are always full backups

    That seems annoying. . .



  • @DustinB3403 you seem annoying



  • @VoIP_n00b said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    @DustinB3403 you seem annoying

    Only have full backups, while functional is a limitation. I know of many places that can't wait minutes - hours at a time for a backup to operate so CR style backups are a must.

    Also fuck you @VoIP_n00b starting with the personal attacks.



  • @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    Also fuck you @VoIP_n00b starting with the personal attacks.

    Love you too



  • @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    Proxmox VE backups are always full backups

    That seems annoying. . .

    Not ideal, but with compression and dedupe, not the problem it seems to be. And it is far less risky that continuous partials that always depend on rehydration.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    Not ideal, but with compression and dedupe, not the problem it seems to be. And it is far less risky that continuous partials that always depend on rehydration.

    πŸ‘



  • Also, it's "Proxmox" no uppercase M



  • I always like how you can setup permissions for users, groups, pools and roles. Also use different servers for authentication.



  • During the Proxmox installation, it’s nice to options for file system like ext4, xfs and zfs if you are into zfs.



  • Having the option to enable Two Factor Authentication is plus if the WebUI is accessible from a public IP.



  • Proxmox is great been using it for a couple of years with little to no issues. The new Ceph wizard makes setting up Ceph quick and easy. It has Incremental backups but I prefer to just replicate VM to another node.



  • I'm a SMB and been using it in production for 7 years. 40 VM's with a 3 node cluster. NFS backed - yeah I know IPD lol. Looking to fix that soon but it's been rock solid.



  • I use proxmox as well, I like it.



  • Just tried it tonight and super impressed.



  • Creating snapshots of UEFI VMs is a lot easier with Proxmox because its using LVM Thin.



  • following this thread. Time to test this out on a spare box. I've always steered clear of this due to the feedback on here, but initial research looks like it has some pretty awesome features. The builtin backup features are nice too. And it has an API for even more automation. I like that. Time to spin up a box.



  • @fuznutz04 enjoy 😊



  • So I started my day with the desire to test Proxmox. I've been giving it bits of attention over the last 4 hours as I have to keep the office running too.

    My first road block was installing it from a USB stick. I had to track down Balena Etcher to burn a bootable install USB that would not complain about there being no CD-Rom in the drive. Not a huge problem, just puzzled me that Using UNetbootin or Rufus does not work. https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_from_USB_Stick

    Once I used Etcher, it installed really nicely.

    Next road block that I have not overcome yet. I grabbed a bootable USB with Windows 2012R2 Std installer on it and cannot make it available to the PVE as a source. PVE only allows me to select:
    CD/DVD ISO from local or CD/DVD from Physical.

    When I choose Local, I do not see the USB stick.

    But, it is mounted (sde1), and I can shell out and use it, I can even see it in the node inside PVE, just can choose it.
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    Seems as though this should be just a bit easier......



  • @JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    So I started my day with the desire to test Proxmox. I've been giving it bits of attention over the last 4 hours as I have to keep the office running too.

    My first road block was installing it from a USB stick. I had to track down Balena Etcher to burn a bootable install USB that would not complain about there being no CD-Rom in the drive. Not a huge problem, just puzzled me that Using UNetbootin or Rufus does not work. https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_from_USB_Stick

    Once I used Etcher, it installed really nicely.

    Next road block that I have not overcome yet. I grabbed a bootable USB with Windows 2012R2 Std installer on it and cannot make it available to the PVE as a source. PVE only allows me to select:
    CD/DVD ISO from local or CD/DVD from Physical.

    When I choose Local, I do not see the USB stick.

    But, it is mounted (sde1), and I can shell out and use it, I can even see it in the node inside PVE, just can choose it.

    Seems as though this should be just a bit easier......

    You are intentionally doing it the hard way. No hypervisor is designed to use a full install media to turn up guests, even if they have an option for CDROM. Just put the ISO on there like you should.



  • @JaredBusch said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    You are intentionally doing it the hard way. No hypervisor is designed to use a full install media to turn up guests, even if they have an option for CDROM. Just put the ISO on there like you should.

    Yup, just copy the iso to an available repo on the hypervisor and select the iso as boot media.



  • @fuznutz04 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    following this thread. Time to test this out on a spare box. I've always steered clear of this due to the feedback on here, but initial research looks like it has some pretty awesome features. The builtin backup features are nice too. And it has an API for even more automation. I like that. Time to spin up a box.

    So far, I mean just one day, we are really liking it.



  • @JaredBusch said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    @JasGot said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

    So I started my day with the desire to test Proxmox. I've been giving it bits of attention over the last 4 hours as I have to keep the office running too.

    My first road block was installing it from a USB stick. I had to track down Balena Etcher to burn a bootable install USB that would not complain about there being no CD-Rom in the drive. Not a huge problem, just puzzled me that Using UNetbootin or Rufus does not work. https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_from_USB_Stick

    Once I used Etcher, it installed really nicely.

    Next road block that I have not overcome yet. I grabbed a bootable USB with Windows 2012R2 Std installer on it and cannot make it available to the PVE as a source. PVE only allows me to select:
    CD/DVD ISO from local or CD/DVD from Physical.

    When I choose Local, I do not see the USB stick.

    But, it is mounted (sde1), and I can shell out and use it, I can even see it in the node inside PVE, just can choose it.

    Seems as though this should be just a bit easier......

    You are intentionally doing it the hard way. No hypervisor is designed to use a full install media to turn up guests, even if they have an option for CDROM. Just put the ISO on there like you should.

    Jared is correct. This is weird and complicated. Just use the web interfaces ISO upload tool, upload your ISO and voila, done.



  • @scottalanmiller you can also use wget directly from the command line πŸ™‚


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