Not Using Huawei
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@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
"I heard that they...." seems to be the commonality in people having issues with them. I did a search on this and found nothing. Might they do it? Sure, but you know what, nearly every American company pirates some software, too. Seriously, it's everywhere. I've "heard" that essentially everyone pirates. And while I don't agree with software piracy, there are a three key factors here...
- Huawei is being treated differently than other companies that we know do the thing in question.
- Huawei is in a jurisdiction where there is no piracy so this claim can't be factual.
- It's heresay with, so far, not even a hint of substance behind it.
And the fourth... Huawei is a staggeringly large company for whom licensing GitLab Enterprise would likely be a line item so trivial that no one would even be aware of it. If they are actually doing this, likely it is one rogue engineer doing it because no one authorized him to buy what he wanted and no one is aware of it.
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@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
and then tried to get official support for that software by promising/negotiating to pay for it sounds like a sketchy company.
Actually, that's not sketchy at all. That's would make them one of the best companies ever, because normal companies that get busted for piracy either just keep pirating, or stop using the software. To actually contact the vendor and offer to pay for it would make them outstandingly "non-sketchy" compared to essentially anyone else. Sure, pirating in the first place is bad, but you can't call it sketchy for trying to remedy the situation.
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@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@JaredBusch said in Not Using Huawei:
@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
So now we're judging a company based on how it's name sounds? IBM could be extremely "weird" sounding to the French - so what - they shouldn't buy anything from IBM because the name sounds weird/sketcky?
Ummm, that is not wht he said.
OK I ran with it a bit - but he did say "Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company." but didn't expand on what exactly he meant - be it the actual sound of their name, or things the company has been accused of.
If he was going for the accusing aspect - Scott has shot almost everything there down as FUD.
What I'm saying is that a company that pirates software and then tried to get official support for that software by promising/negotiating to pay for it sounds like a sketchy company.
Worth noting that the top Google result on this subject, is this thread already.
Now granted, you've been talking to GitLab people that normal people and news media would not get access to, but it's super unknown insider info (at this point, until this thread.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Not Using Huawei:
@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@JaredBusch said in Not Using Huawei:
@Dashrender said in Not Using Huawei:
@flaxking said in Not Using Huawei:
Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company. I've heard that they pirate GitLab Enterprise edition
So now we're judging a company based on how it's name sounds? IBM could be extremely "weird" sounding to the French - so what - they shouldn't buy anything from IBM because the name sounds weird/sketcky?
Ummm, that is not wht he said.
OK I ran with it a bit - but he did say "Huawei just sounds like a sketchy company." but didn't expand on what exactly he meant - be it the actual sound of their name, or things the company has been accused of.
If he was going for the accusing aspect - Scott has shot almost everything there down as FUD.
What I'm saying is that a company that pirates software and then tried to get official support for that software by promising/negotiating to pay for it sounds like a sketchy company.
Worth noting that the top Google result on this subject, is this thread already.
Now granted, you've been talking to GitLab people that normal people and news media would not get access to, but it's super unknown insider info (at this point, until this thread.)
I doubt it will ever become news, they were advised by another company that has dealt with Huawei before that either they should pursue things legally or just drop it, basically that the negotiation is just a ruse and they are unlikely to end up paying.
Since they're technically still a start up, I expect they would just drop it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Not Using Huawei:
If they are actually doing this, likely it is one rogue engineer doing it because no one authorized him to buy what he wanted and no one is aware of it.
I didn't get the impression that they were approached by just one engineer, but it's not like I got all the details.
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@IRJ said in Not Using Huawei:
I have news for you. Everyone's spying on you. Chinese companies/government , US companies/government , Russian government/companies, and any one else.
Why? Because it's extremely valuable. Data is the new oil. It's easy to deflect attention when you point at the other guy everytime he gets caught. It's a strategy used to make all sides feel like their right and it works. Fact is they've all been caught Alot!
Not going to get into politics or ethics or finger pointed but ^^^ this.
I take on all this is simple I'm thinking everyone is at it. All vendors in one way or another.
Just Huawei is high profile at the moment due to the 5G stuff and the backdoor was found lol. Just a matter of time before others are caught out -
@hobbit666 said in Not Using Huawei:
and the backdoor was found lol.
What backdoor? The only one we can find reference to in the news is a decade old and was closed. Is there a new one that we aren't finding?
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@hobbit666 said in Not Using Huawei:
Just a matter of time before others are caught out
Not really, pretty much everyone has been caught, Lenovo gets caught all the time, but the bottom line is... no one cares that they are getting spied on. They just don't. No one is upset with Huawei for spying, or they'd already be avoiding all their competitors, too. It's only political and economics at play today. No one calls out these companies until they have an agenda.
It's sad, but people don't value their actual freedoms the way that you'd expect them to.
For example, if spying actually mattered to anyone, closed source software wouldn't be viable. But we know that companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, etc. make mint on closed source software that can't be audited for spying. People have choices to dramatically protect themselves and just won't, because it's not the slightest priority.
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@scottalanmiller said in Not Using Huawei:
@hobbit666 said in Not Using Huawei:
Just a matter of time before others are caught out
Not really, pretty much everyone has been caught, Lenovo gets caught all the time, but the bottom line is... no one cares that they are getting spied on. They just don't. No one is upset with Huawei for spying, or they'd already be avoiding all their competitors, too. It's only political and economics at play today. No one calls out these companies until they have an agenda.
It's sad, but people don't value their actual freedoms the way that you'd expect them to.
For example, if spying actually mattered to anyone, closed source software wouldn't be viable. But we know that companies like Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, etc. make mint on closed source software that can't be audited for spying. People have choices to dramatically protect themselves and just won't, because it's not the slightest priority.
Because there is a difference between someone spying on YOU as an individual or YOU as a company, versus anonymous telemetrics, versus automated data processing for "personal assistance".
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@Obsolesce said in Not Using Huawei:
Because there is a difference between someone spying on YOU as an individual or YOU as a company, versus anonymous telemetrics, versus automated data processing for "personal assistance".
Right, and it is the worst of the worst that people have overlooked. So if they are overlooking the absolute worst (non-anonymous, personal AND company, stealing banking data) then anything less is... well, less. And it's the worst of the worst that is totally excused, even in this community people will make outrageous claims to actively try to cover up the absolute worst behaviour that has been proven, reported globally in real media, and we have first hand witnesses to. If IT pros are to go that far, then of course casual observers who don't understand any of it just ignore it.
