Cyber Security queries



  • Hi,
    How to enter on the field of Cyber Security? Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?



  • @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Hi,
    How to enter on the field of Cyber Security? Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Probably is.

    I've been finding and fixing security holes since the late 90s, but it didn't have a fancy title to it back then.

    My problem would be that I've had no formal education on it, so companies typically don't pass my resume through to the people that matter.



  • @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    I've been in the field a few years. I've heard countless times about people having a masters degree in cyber security and not even being able to find an entry level job. We won't interview anyone who has a degree, but no experience. I've heard many go through this when they get out of school with zero experience.

    Your buddy was extremely lucky. It's definitely not the norm



  • It weighs more to have an IT background than a fancy degree. You pretty much have to get certs mainly CISSP to make yourself marketable. Alot of private orgs follow this dod chart for hiring.

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  • @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    I've been in the field a few years. I've heard countless times about people having a masters degree in cyber security and not even being able to find an entry level job. We won't interview anyone who has a degree, but no experience. I've heard many go through this when they get out of school with zero experience.

    You're buddy was extremely lucky. It's definitely not the norm

    Yeah, the "magic" of the field is starting to disappear. It's taking the turn into becoming an actual field, slowly.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    I've been in the field a few years. I've heard countless times about people having a masters degree in cyber security and not even being able to find an entry level job. We won't interview anyone who has a degree, but no experience. I've heard many go through this when they get out of school with zero experience.

    You're buddy was extremely lucky. It's definitely not the norm

    Yeah, the "magic" of the field is starting to disappear. It's taking the turn into becoming an actual field, slowly.

    Yes I think we are reaching a peak. Which was great for me while I was job searching, but I expect a decline soon. We saw salaries essential dobule over a period of 5 years.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    Even in states like NY and CT I was seeing salaries around $150k for security engineer level positions. Down in FL, I was seeing mostly $110-130k, but again these are engineer level. I really only looked at the east coast during my search. Not sure about the rest of US.



  • @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    Even in states like NY and CT I was seeing salaries around $150k for security engineer level positions. Down in FL, I was seeing mostly $110-130k, but again these are engineer level. I really only looked at the east coast during my search. Not sure about the rest of US.

    What do the weekly hours look like for those kinds of salaries? I don't know anyone in that type of situation.



  • @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    I've been in the field a few years. I've heard countless times about people having a masters degree in cyber security and not even being able to find an entry level job. We won't interview anyone who has a degree, but no experience. I've heard many go through this when they get out of school with zero experience.

    You're buddy was extremely lucky. It's definitely not the norm

    Yeah, the "magic" of the field is starting to disappear. It's taking the turn into becoming an actual field, slowly.

    Yes I think we are reaching a peak. Which was great for me while I was job searching, but I expect a decline soon. We saw salaries essential dobule over a period of 5 years.

    Common in any new IT field. We saw the same thing with people sticking "cloud" in their titles. Or before that, "virtualization". Once those fields mature and hiring managers know what they are, they drop back to normal.



  • @pmoncho said in Cyber Security queries:

    @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    Even in states like NY and CT I was seeing salaries around $150k for security engineer level positions. Down in FL, I was seeing mostly $110-130k, but again these are engineer level. I really only looked at the east coast during my search. Not sure about the rest of US.

    What do the weekly hours look like for those kinds of salaries? I don't know anyone in that type of situation.

    Normal. Standard professional days. Security positions are the same as engineering positions - just standard office hours.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @pmoncho said in Cyber Security queries:

    @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    Even in states like NY and CT I was seeing salaries around $150k for security engineer level positions. Down in FL, I was seeing mostly $110-130k, but again these are engineer level. I really only looked at the east coast during my search. Not sure about the rest of US.

    What do the weekly hours look like for those kinds of salaries? I don't know anyone in that type of situation.

    Normal. Standard professional days. Security positions are the same as engineering positions - just standard office hours.

    Nice to know. 🙂



  • @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @pmoncho said in Cyber Security queries:

    @IRJ said in Cyber Security queries:

    @scottalanmiller said in Cyber Security queries:

    @maximus said in Cyber Security queries:

    Someone told me that his friend's kid got USD 130K job out of college as Cyber Security. Is that true?

    Sure. $130K is good, but not crazy. And right now, a lot of security jobs are nonsensical. It's reasonable.

    But someone dedicated might make even more, without going to school, sooner. So think of it in the broad scope.

    Even in states like NY and CT I was seeing salaries around $150k for security engineer level positions. Down in FL, I was seeing mostly $110-130k, but again these are engineer level. I really only looked at the east coast during my search. Not sure about the rest of US.

    What do the weekly hours look like for those kinds of salaries? I don't know anyone in that type of situation.

    Normal. Standard professional days. Security positions are the same as engineering positions - just standard office hours.

    Unless it's a SOC position then it becomes a 24x7 filled position. You may handle it in house or outsource for SOC.

    Then there is GRC which is kind of mix between security and compliance. That is also standard working hours


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