Building a Mail Server
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
Wow, that's really affordable. Anyone used them bwfore? What's the GUI like? Does it have calendar and contacts?
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
Are you trolling? Is this you?
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@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@brandon220 said in Building a Mail Server:
Check out mxroute.com. Seems very affordable.
That does, actually. Anyone used them before?
Are you trolling? Is this you?
It is definitely not me. But easily could have been, lol. But if I was going to do that, it would be called MailBear.
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@scottalanmiller
https://iroute.io is another brand of the owner of MXroute . They use https://crossbox.io/ as a email web client and MailChannels to send emails.I haven't used MXroute nor iRoute but I know people that is a customer of the former (small amount of mailboxes) and they say that the service and support are great.
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@dave_c does mxroute use crossbox as well?
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@dave_c said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller
https://iroute.io is another brand of the owner of MXroute . They use https://crossbox.io/ as a email web client and MailChannels to send emails.I haven't used MXroute nor iRoute but I know people that is a customer of the former (small amount of mailboxes) and they say that the service and support are great.
Take it with a grain of salt.Crossbox looks pretty nice at a quick glance.
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I just signed up for MXroute. My order was flagged for review... So I emailed support and my email bounced... Not a great first impression...
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@Curtis said in Building a Mail Server:
I just signed up for MXroute. My order was flagged for review... So I emailed support and my email bounced... Not a great first impression...
The email bounced? WTF.
Maybe they went out of business? Did you manage to contact them in some other way?
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Maybe they went out of business?
Why jump to such an extreme conclusion? :frowning_face: Perhaps @Curtis used an incorrect email address.
I just emailed them at [email protected] and received an immediate response.
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@Danp said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Maybe they went out of business?
Why jump to such an extreme conclusion? :frowning_face:
Have you never talked to Scott before?
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@JaredBusch Yes... just trying to nicely call him out on his "bad behavior".
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@Danp said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Maybe they went out of business?
Why jump to such an extreme conclusion? :frowning_face:
If the email is gone for an email company, it's a reasonable possibility. I didn't say that they did, I said it was a possibility, and it was a very real one. Especially with two things happening at once, both that their email was down and that they didn't create the account automatically which could suggest an automated system being left on.
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@Danp said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch Yes... just trying to nicely call him out on his "bad behavior".
It's not bad behaviour to point out what the decently likely possibilities are.
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@scottalanmiller You did nothing but jump to an illogical conclusion. I believe it's more likely that this was a user error. We don't know because the OP hasn't provided enough details. What email address did he use? Did the email truly bounce or was it rejected for some other reason?
Do you always assume that a company is out of business when you read an unverified claim that an email bounced? Do you always jump to wild conclusions before performing any due diligence? I would hope not... because that isn't very professional.
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@Danp said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller You did nothing but jump to an illogical conclusion. I believe it's more likely that this was a user error. We don't know because the OP hasn't provided enough details. What email address did he use? Did the email truly bounce or was it rejected for some other reason?
Do you always assume that a company is out of business when you read an unverified claim that an email bounced? Do you always jump to wild conclusions before performing any due diligence? I would hope not... because that isn't very professional.
I did not assume they were out of business. Who is jumping to conclusions here? I offered a possibility. A reasonable one.
I neither jumped, nor concluded.
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@Danp said in Building a Mail Server:
I emailed them too, got a response right away as well. Let them know about the thread, hopefully they will pop in.
They have a Twitter page, too.
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@dave_c said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller
https://iroute.io is another brand of the owner of MXroute . They use https://crossbox.io/ as a email web client and MailChannels to send emails.Hey, @CrossBox is in the community now!
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Hey guys! One of our customers contacted us saying that we're being mentioned here. Thank you and it's good to be here!
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@CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:
Hey guys! One of our customers contacted us saying that we're being mentioned here. Thank you and it's good to be here!
That's great. Thank them for us, and poke them to get involved as well. We assume the customer was also mentioned (I made a point to reach out to one of them and let them know as well.)
Great to have you here.
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@IRJ said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@Pete-S said in Building a Mail Server:
If you put cpanel on a server - not saying you should - but don't you get a complete mail setup with dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the whole shebang? And then set it to relay smtp through mailgun.
Isn't that what all those website and email providers do? Or are they each running custom configs?
Yes, and no business considers that an email solution. Yes, it technically sends and receives email, but in a nearly useless fashion.
Yeah this is pretty much good enough for personal sites, but that's about it. You get mail and basic calendar and that's it. Very ugly web interfaces through cpanel mail
That's correct but cPanel is not to blame here. They would include anything good enough and free (even more now when SquirrelMail got dropped out and only two webmails are left), but the current self-hosted webmail apps market is pretty outdated without much progress being made for years and most of the apps just looking old, not using the latest advancements in technology or just lacking features.
The other thing is the integration of the targeted webmail app with the control panel itself. Of course, you can always download RoundCube and install it on your hosting account, but if you want to have only one RoundCube installation serving the entire server, then you must develop an integration. This is what cPanel does with RoundCube and what has to be done in case of any other webmail app. So basically, developing and maintaining the integration just creates more work for them and that is something I doubt they want.
If right from the beginning you're not developing software to be plug and play all the way, it's really hard to do anything later. A good example of this is Zimbra which needs a blank server to start with and you just can't use that server for anything else. You also can't install Zimbra on the server that already has your emails, let alone on a cPanel/Plesk server which has an ecosystem of its own.
Thankfully, most of the control panels have pretty good API and plugin systems which let you do the integrations yourself and this is exactly what we at CrossBox did, among other things of course :relieved_face:
