User Training Who is responsible
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@travisdh1 said in User Training Who is responsible:
If you have everything logged in a ticketing system, it should be very easy to show management how long IT has spent giving the same advice/training to any given end user.
Yup, IT metrics. They do wonders.
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@travisdh1 said in User Training Who is responsible:
As to weather it is the responsibility of IT to train a user in the basic competencies on how to use any given OS or program, heck no.
It can be anyone's job to train people. We do a lot of this, even as consultants. But we are paid to do it, so what do we care? If they want us to do everyone's jobs for them, great!
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@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
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I setup and train them to GET to the program and access it. It is their manager/supervisor/coworker's job to train them how to perform their job duties within the program. Its too much for me to know everybody's job duties and how they perform those duties.
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@nerdydad said in User Training Who is responsible:
I setup and train them to GET to the program and access it. It is their manager/supervisor/coworker's job to train them how to perform their job duties within the program. Its too much for me to know everybody's job duties and how they perform those duties.
That is where I fall. Here are the tools, this is how you get to them, and you click once to open. Bye from there.
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has
Absolutely not. That is asking too much of IT. I don't know what outside pressures force them to perform such task in such a way. Their respective departments should have procedures properly documented and stored somewhere, whether they are on the network or not.
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@nerdydad said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has
Absolutely not. That is asking too much of IT. I don't know what outside pressures force them to perform such task in such a way. Their respective departments should have procedures properly documented and stored somewhere, whether they are on the network or not.
My question for the users is always... if we can do your job, and you can't, why are you here?
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
I believe that they should be given the training and pay to handle whatever they are asked to support. So yes.
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@scottalanmiller that is a valid question but it isn't one we are allowed to ask.
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@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
I believe that they should be given the training and pay to handle whatever they are asked to support. So yes.
So going to college for 4 years to know how to use AutoDesk Maya or some other solution is also within IT's realm than?
Seems odd to have that kind of stance since I doubt any engineer would ever dream of having an IT person do their jobs.
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@nerdydad said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has
Absolutely not. That is asking too much of IT. I don't know what outside pressures force them to perform such task in such a way. Their respective departments should have procedures properly documented and stored somewhere, whether they are on the network or not.
Going on @scottalanmiller statement that IT should have the training and pay to do anything and everything the user does would fly in the face of practical sense.
As an IT person I don't want to know how to do XY or Z!
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
I believe that they should be given the training and pay to handle whatever they are asked to support. So yes.
So going to college for 4 years to know how to use AutoDesk Maya or some other solution is also within IT's realm than?
Seems odd to have that kind of stance since I doubt any engineer would ever dream of having an IT person do their jobs.
Absolutely, if you given that task and sent to college to learn that. Yes. That's exactly what I said.
maybe it seems that say, but engineers all over ask IT to do that.
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@nerdydad said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has
Absolutely not. That is asking too much of IT. I don't know what outside pressures force them to perform such task in such a way. Their respective departments should have procedures properly documented and stored somewhere, whether they are on the network or not.
Going on @scottalanmiller statement that IT should have the training and pay to do anything and everything the user does would fly in the face of practical sense.
As an IT person I don't want to know how to do XY or Z!
I didn't say to do what they do, to do what you are asked to do for them. Asking them to do that would fly in the face of common sense.
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@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
I believe that they should be given the training and pay to handle whatever they are asked to support. So yes.
So going to college for 4 years to know how to use AutoDesk Maya or some other solution is also within IT's realm than?
Seems odd to have that kind of stance since I doubt any engineer would ever dream of having an IT person do their jobs.
Absolutely, if you given that task and sent to college to learn that. Yes. That's exactly what I said.
maybe it seems that say, but engineers all over ask IT to do that.
But that is counter to the discussion, should IT be here to TRAIN an employee on how to use the tools with which the employee was hired to use?
You've stated NO beforehand. Now you're stating in a consultancy tone of "Well yeah if they are paid and trained in the software than they should"
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
I believe that they should be given the training and pay to handle whatever they are asked to support. So yes.
So going to college for 4 years to know how to use AutoDesk Maya or some other solution is also within IT's realm than?
Seems odd to have that kind of stance since I doubt any engineer would ever dream of having an IT person do their jobs.
Absolutely, if you given that task and sent to college to learn that. Yes. That's exactly what I said.
maybe it seems that say, but engineers all over ask IT to do that.
But that is counter to the discussion, should IT be here to TRAIN an employee on how to use the tools with which the employee was hired to use?
You've stated NO beforehand. Now you're stating in a consultancy tone of "Well yeah if they are paid and trained in the software than they should"
Who is going to train people if not IT? What department has the skills or capability to learn lots of other things?
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@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller said in User Training Who is responsible:
@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
@scottalanmiller So let me ask you this than.
In the world of not outsourced IT, do you believe that the IT personal should know how to use and operate every piece of software or hardware that a business has?
I believe that they should be given the training and pay to handle whatever they are asked to support. So yes.
So going to college for 4 years to know how to use AutoDesk Maya or some other solution is also within IT's realm than?
Seems odd to have that kind of stance since I doubt any engineer would ever dream of having an IT person do their jobs.
Absolutely, if you given that task and sent to college to learn that. Yes. That's exactly what I said.
maybe it seems that say, but engineers all over ask IT to do that.
But that is counter to the discussion, should IT be here to TRAIN an employee on how to use the tools with which the employee was hired to use?
You've stated NO beforehand. Now you're stating in a consultancy tone of "Well yeah if they are paid and trained in the software than they should"
Who is going to train people if not IT? What department has the skills or capability to learn lots of other things?
Is it the IT departments responsibility to know how to wire up a 240 outlet or to unclog a sink as well?
The conversation is a simple one in most circles; IT isn't paid to go to training on how to use a plethora of software, and we aren't professional trainers with a training guide/script.
Can we from time to time learn how something works from watching the professional (engineer, designer, account rep) going on throughout their day. Certainly.
Does that qualify us as being capable of training others because we can ham our way through a 1 off issue?
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Now that isn't to say we can't tell an employee "this is how you access email or this is how screenshare".
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
Who is going to train people if not IT? What department has the skills or capability to learn lots of other things?
Is it the IT departments responsibility to know how to wire up a 240 outlet or to unclog a sink as well?
The problem here that companies face is that if IT can't do it, literally no one can. IT is the only "super department" with the kind of capability involved.
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
The conversation is a simple one in most circles; IT isn't paid to go to training on how to use a plethora of software, and we aren't professional trainers with a training guide/script.
Right, but that can't be applied to what I said, as I specifically stated that IT would have to have been trained and paid for every piece of software that management wanted them to train people on.
So any argument involving pay or training is moot, already explicitly covered.
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@dustinb3403 said in User Training Who is responsible:
Can we from time to time learn how something works from watching the professional (engineer, designer, account rep) going on throughout their day. Certainly.
Does that qualify us as being capable of training others because we can ham our way through a 1 off issue?
Hence why I stipulated the requirement for training.
