question about setting up a new domain controller
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
We are still on 2010 Standard!!
It's this, more than anything, that tells me that O365 is the only option and in house should never even be considered. Nothing else matters other than one thing - the company lacks the ability to do what it takes to run email itself. Doesn't matter what the reason is whether technical, political, or financial.
It's like asking if you should buy a car or just take public transportation. If that's all we ask, we can easily say "well it depends on your situation." But once we learn that you regularly don't change your oil and your engine dies, or that you can't drive at all... then we know that the answer is "public transportation" irrespective of any other factors that might get mentioned. It's all red herrings. That Exchange can't be maintained in house alone is all that we need to know.
ok, thanks for the advice. It looks like O365 Business Essentials is $5 per user per month, which is pretty attractive. Is it pretty easy to migrate mailboxes from Exchange 2010 to O365? And can you still have distribution groups?
Keep in mind, that is NOT email that you are comparing, but a services bundle. No reason that it isn't the right product for you, but you should be basing your decisions purely on email (which is $4, 25% cheaper) and then, once the decision is made and approved, consider if adding additional services onto that for an additional $1 also makes sense. Don't bundle and use that to compare to a non-bundle.
oh I see that.. It shows that it's email, skype, SharePoint, onedrive, yammer.. etc.. how the heck do I just get email??
Those things aren't bad, however we are at a point where we use only one of all of those and are actively in the process of phasing even it out as we are unhappy with the quality of the entire line of MS products.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
We are still on 2010 Standard!!
It's this, more than anything, that tells me that O365 is the only option and in house should never even be considered. Nothing else matters other than one thing - the company lacks the ability to do what it takes to run email itself. Doesn't matter what the reason is whether technical, political, or financial.
It's like asking if you should buy a car or just take public transportation. If that's all we ask, we can easily say "well it depends on your situation." But once we learn that you regularly don't change your oil and your engine dies, or that you can't drive at all... then we know that the answer is "public transportation" irrespective of any other factors that might get mentioned. It's all red herrings. That Exchange can't be maintained in house alone is all that we need to know.
ok, thanks for the advice. It looks like O365 Business Essentials is $5 per user per month, which is pretty attractive. Is it pretty easy to migrate mailboxes from Exchange 2010 to O365? And can you still have distribution groups?
Keep in mind, that is NOT email that you are comparing, but a services bundle. No reason that it isn't the right product for you, but you should be basing your decisions purely on email (which is $4, 25% cheaper) and then, once the decision is made and approved, consider if adding additional services onto that for an additional $1 also makes sense. Don't bundle and use that to compare to a non-bundle.
oh I see that.. It shows that it's email, skype, SharePoint, onedrive, yammer.. etc.. how the heck do I just get email??
Those things aren't bad, however we are at a point where we use only one of all of those and are actively in the process of phasing even it out as we are unhappy with the quality of the entire line of MS products.
We honestly don't need those additional services right now since we already have things that fill the roles they provide.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
Also, please link me to the relevant article on your blog because I clearly don't know wtf I'm doing..
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
This is an excellent question - and a point where I think MS completely falls flat on it's frakin' face!
The good thing is, you've been told of at least one MS Partner (not VAR) where you can purchase O365 through.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
The good thing is, you've been told of at least one MS Partner (not VAR) where you can purchase O365 through.
When? Who?
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
The good thing is, you've been told of at least one MS Partner (not VAR) where you can purchase O365 through.
When? Who?
Reach out to @Minion-Queen
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
So how does the partner benefit? I don't understand the difference...
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
This is an excellent question - and a point where I think MS completely falls flat on it's frakin' face!
Yeah, at least the punishment for going direct is minor. But the punishment for going through a reseller is unlimited (MS just throws you to the wolves.)
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
So how does the partner benefit? I don't understand the difference...
A partner gets a relationship - they get to know you as a potential customer for other services (like consulting.) A reseller makes money by actually selling you something.
MS wants trained partners dealing with their customers because it reduces MS' workload, so they encourage the partner ecosystem. So both MS benefits by lowering their cost of support; and the partner benefits by getting a chance to know a potential new customer (and offering services like email migration services or other consulting.)
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
So how does the partner benefit? I don't understand the difference...
A partner gets a relationship - they get to know you as a potential customer for other services (like consulting.) A reseller makes money by actually selling you something.
MS wants trained partners dealing with their customers because it reduces MS' workload, so they encourage the partner ecosystem. So both MS benefits by lowering their cost of support; and the partner benefits by getting a chance to know a potential new customer (and offering services like email migration services or other consulting.)
So am I not able to just go through MS directly to get what I need? I thought that's what this page was for but apparently I'm wrong.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
I don't understand the difference...
Behind the scenes, here is the difference in the interaction....
Partner: "Hi, I'm an MS partner. Let me tell you about what MS offers. I'll sign you up with MS and make sure you are getting what you expect. I'm just on the sideline, you get service from MS, and you pay MS, I'm just an advisor."
Reseller: "Hi, I'm an email vendor and I'm selling you a product from me, that Microsoft provides to me. You get MY product, not Microsoft's. Microsoft will disavow any knowledge of you and will not accept your calls. I own your email and you pay me directly. If I don't pay Microsoft, they will delete your account, even if you pay me. If I don't want you to get all of Microsoft's benefits, I can block you from getting them; and I get a discount from MS for doing this, so it is in my interest to provide you with a crippled service and no support so that I make maximum profit."
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
So how does the partner benefit? I don't understand the difference...
A partner gets a relationship - they get to know you as a potential customer for other services (like consulting.) A reseller makes money by actually selling you something.
MS wants trained partners dealing with their customers because it reduces MS' workload, so they encourage the partner ecosystem. So both MS benefits by lowering their cost of support; and the partner benefits by getting a chance to know a potential new customer (and offering services like email migration services or other consulting.)
So am I not able to just go through MS directly to get what I need? I thought that's what this page was for but apparently I'm wrong.
Of course you can, you just get "less" than if you use a partner. MS only provides the top service to customers coming through partners.
It's just one of those things you need to know as a Microsoft shop - always go through a customer, never through a reseller or direct.
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@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
Exactly. This is freaking maddening.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners?
This is one of those weird things that I never understand. Never in my life have I not just known when someone is selling me something and when someone is advising me. I mean... the whole "who do you give your money to" and "who provides the service" things are so obvious. I'm not sure how to explain it in a way that doesn't make it more clear that it already has to be. The difference is conceptually huge.
It's like .... do you have a list of who is selling houses and who are real estate agents? It's not really something you need to list. A person selling a house and a person who consults on buying a house are very different roles - even though both leed to buying a house.
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@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
This is not possible as NTG has never been a reseller and has never had the ability to do something like that. Selling is incorrect. NTG made the connection by introducing the two parties, but that is all.
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@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@scottalanmiller said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dave247 said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
@dashrender said in question about setting up a new domain controller:
VAR
I'm currently seeking information from CDW on this..
No, you CAN'T use a VAR with Exchange Online. You will be SCREWED. There is ONE thing to know about cloud services, and it is that you never involve a VAR.
Well where the hell do I find a partner then?
I provided one
NTG is a partner.Anyone working with Office 365 that doesn't sell it is a partner.
Is there some time of list somewhere that IT pros are magically supposed to know which are VARs and which are partners? When I had NTG setup for one my clients, NTG sold it to them the first year, so simply saying, not selling it is incorrect (unless, and totally likely, my memory is wrong on the selling part).
Exactly. This is freaking maddening.
Yep, you have no clue you're screwed by a VAR until they have you and you try to use a function that they have disabled... from then on, you're just hosed. Even killing your account can take months (if ever) to close down so you could open a new account directly or via a partner to get back to 'normal' O365...
