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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch @dafyre
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      @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

      @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

      @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

      Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

      My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

      You will want to use the ER-PRO. The CPU in the ERL will slow you down.

      The new ER4 & ER6 models are going to be awesome, but they are still beta products.

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      • JaredBuschJ
        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

        @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

        @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

        @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

        @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

        @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

        Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

        My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

        Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

        ERL

        Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

        You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

        What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

        With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
          last edited by

          @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

          @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

          @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

          @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

          @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

          @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

          @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

          Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

          My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

          Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

          ERL

          Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

          You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

          What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

          With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

          Yes, but we aren't talking about that. What are the speeds of the routing, without adding on functions? I'm getting 160Mb/s with the CPU at idle.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

            @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

            Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

            My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

            Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

            ERL

            Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

            You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

            What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

            With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

            Yes, but we aren't talking about that. What are the speeds of the routing, without adding on functions? I'm getting 160Mb/s with the CPU at idle.

            Do you have 160mbps up with your basic SIP/RTP traffic shaping rules applied to the router? I will guarantee that you do not.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

              @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

              Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

              My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

              Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

              ERL

              Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

              You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

              What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

              With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

              Yes, but we aren't talking about that.

              Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                last edited by

                @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

                Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

                My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

                Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

                ERL

                Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

                You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

                What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

                With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

                Yes, but we aren't talking about that. What are the speeds of the routing, without adding on functions? I'm getting 160Mb/s with the CPU at idle.

                Do you have 160mbps up with your basic SIP/RTP traffic shaping rules applied to the router? I will guarantee that you do not.

                No, don't need them. Which is good, no need to put QoS latency on the CPUs.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                  last edited by

                  @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                  @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

                  Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

                  My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

                  Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

                  ERL

                  Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

                  You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

                  What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

                  With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

                  Yes, but we aren't talking about that.

                  Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?

                  Actually, most do not in the SMB. That's rare. Especially as most SMBs don't have equipment that can handle it at speed. Think about your own statements that things like ADSL with consumer grade, ISP supplied equipment is all over the place. You can't honestly say that anyone anywhere close to that category is traffic shaping.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                    @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

                    Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

                    My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

                    Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

                    ERL

                    Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

                    You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

                    What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

                    With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

                    Yes, but we aren't talking about that.

                    Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?

                    Actually, most do not in the SMB. That's rare. Especially as most SMBs don't have equipment that can handle it at speed. Think about your own statements that things like ADSL with consumer grade, ISP supplied equipment is all over the place. You can't honestly say that anyone anywhere close to that category is traffic shaping.

                    You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

                    Either this is being setup correctly on quality gear, or just tell the OP to use a Linksys router.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                      last edited by

                      @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                      @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

                      Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

                      My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

                      Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

                      ERL

                      Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

                      You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

                      What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

                      With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

                      Yes, but we aren't talking about that.

                      Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?

                      Actually, most do not in the SMB. That's rare. Especially as most SMBs don't have equipment that can handle it at speed. Think about your own statements that things like ADSL with consumer grade, ISP supplied equipment is all over the place. You can't honestly say that anyone anywhere close to that category is traffic shaping.

                      You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

                      Either this is being setup correctly on quality gear, or just tell the OP to use a Linksys router.

                      That was my point. It can't be all "people don't use real gear" and "most everyone uses real gear and does QoS". One or the other.

                      Reality is, it's rather a rare SMB that does this. And many don't need it. Only those big enough to have contention issues, with small pipes, that use certain services over shared lines. While that's a lot, it's a lot that don't fit into that, too.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender
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                        What what number of VOIP devices would you really need to start worrying about traffic shaping

                        Assume 25/3 ISP connection?

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @dashrender said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                          What what number of VOIP devices would you really need to start worrying about traffic shaping

                          Assume 25/3 ISP connection?

                          I keep saying this... number of users, number of devices... these are not factors in bandwidth decisions.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
                            last edited by scottalanmiller

                            You need to worry about traffic shaping when your high priority traffic is gaining unacceptable latency caused by low priority traffick saturating the outbound connection. That's it.

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                            • dafyreD
                              dafyre @JaredBusch
                              last edited by

                              @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @jaredbusch said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @coliver said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                              @dafyre they are certainly cheap enough.

                              Yeah. If nothing else he could keep them around for places that need Wifi temporarily or something.

                              My question is what Ubiquiti Router would you get for a campus with ~1200 people and a 500 mbit internet connection?

                              Disclaimer: I used to work in the position that @Markferron now fills.

                              ERL

                              Number of users is really never a factor. Throughput is how you measure router performance, not user count.

                              You obviously have not grasp of reality. I have posted more than one thread here about real world throughput on these units (because I love them and use the heck out of them).

                              What are you seeing as a max throughput on the router functionality? VPN doesn't count.

                              With any type of basic traffic shaping on the ERL your max throughput will be 60mbps.

                              Yes, but we aren't talking about that.

                              Yes, we are talking about that. Real world. Who runs a network with no traffic shaping on their edge router device?

                              A college that has to prevent students from torrenting up all the bandwidth leaving none for important things like Facebook and Netflix.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller
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                                This can happen with a single user at home, or not happen with thousands of users sharing a connection. User and device count just don't matter.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                                  You need to worry about traffic shaping when your high priority traffic is gaining unacceptable latency caused by low priority traffick saturating the outbound connection. That's it.

                                  Sure, of course... that could be the case with a single user.

                                  So if that's really the situation, then the answer to my question is - one.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @dashrender said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                                    You need to worry about traffic shaping when your high priority traffic is gaining unacceptable latency caused by low priority traffick saturating the outbound connection. That's it.

                                    Sure, of course... that could be the case with a single user.

                                    So if that's really the situation, then the answer to my question is - one.

                                    No, that's certainly not the answer.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      The answer is... users aren't a factor. That's the only answer to your question.

                                      It's like asking "how many cupcakes does it take to get to the moon?"

                                      There is no answer, the question is just wrong. That you can get to the moon before you need to eat one cupcake isn't relevant as it isn't the cupcake getting you to the moon.

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                                      • dafyreD
                                        dafyre
                                        last edited by dafyre

                                        This is for a school, not an SMB. With out some form of traffic shaping somewhere, their bandwidth would be overrun with torrents.

                                        @Markferron can correct me if I'm wrong, but right now, I think the Meraki APs are where the bandwidth shaping is being done now.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @dafyre
                                          last edited by

                                          @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                                          This is for a school, not an SMB. With out some form of traffic shaping somewhere, their bandwidth would be overrun with torrents.

                                          @Markferron can correct me if I'm wrong, but right now, I think the Meraki APs are where the bandwidth shaping is being done now.

                                          There is a lot more to it than that. How many schools have their phones via their public WAN, for example? They might, and then they likely need shaping, but the things that make you need shaping often go away when dealing with things like schools.

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                                          • dafyreD
                                            dafyre @scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by dafyre

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                                            @dafyre said in Suggestions for new APs and Firewall:

                                            This is for a school, not an SMB. With out some form of traffic shaping somewhere, their bandwidth would be overrun with torrents.

                                            @Markferron can correct me if I'm wrong, but right now, I think the Meraki APs are where the bandwidth shaping is being done now.

                                            There is a lot more to it than that. How many schools have their phones via their public WAN, for example? They might, and then they likely need shaping, but the things that make you need shaping often go away when dealing with things like schools.

                                            @scottalanmiller, I have worked at this place. They need shaping to prevent 3 computers with bit torrent from overrunning every ounce of bandwidth they have. Been there, done that, turned on traffic shaping, problem solved.

                                            Edit: The Phone system is a different topic.

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