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    • brandon220B
      brandon220
      last edited by

      Plex is running as an Ubuntu Server (17.04) VM in Hyper-V Server 2016. Going off memory - I believe it has 4 vCPU and 8G RAM. It seems to transcode fine and can support multiple streams.

      I'll have to try playing it directly off a PC this evening.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @brandon220
        last edited by

        @brandon220 said in Video Steaming (in home):

        @dafyre On the ripping software and Plex, I have everything set to the highest it will allow. I think it all goes back to the ripping but I am not sure.

        Ripping does not produce MP4s. If you have MP4s, you are transcoding, just not on the fly.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
          last edited by

          @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

          Interesting thread.

          I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

          I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

          Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
          One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

          And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

          /sigh

          MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

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          • dafyreD
            dafyre @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

            @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

            Interesting thread.

            I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

            I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

            Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
            One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

            And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

            /sigh

            MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

            It's just a question of how noticeable the loss is.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

              @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

              Interesting thread.

              I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

              I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

              Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
              One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

              And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

              /sigh

              MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

              what type of file would you expect if you're ripping but not converting from a Blu Ray?

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              • brianlittlejohnB
                brianlittlejohn @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @dashrender Bluray is in h.262 in a BDMV container...

                I have great success with MakeMKV for blurays. It basically repackages the BDMV to MKV container. I also then reencode it into h.264 in an mkv container with Handbrake. (Optional, but I'll sacrifice the small quality difference I see for the substantially smaller file)

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                • brandon220B
                  brandon220
                  last edited by

                  I'm going to try MakeMKV later and see if there is a difference in the raw MKV file (noticeable) and then go from there.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    how did the file look when playing directly from a local computer?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @dafyre
                      last edited by

                      @dafyre said in Video Steaming (in home):

                      @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

                      @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                      Interesting thread.

                      I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

                      I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

                      Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
                      One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

                      And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

                      /sigh

                      MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

                      It's just a question of how noticeable the loss is.

                      If there is value to the compression, it's very noticeable.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                        @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

                        @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                        Interesting thread.

                        I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

                        I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

                        Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
                        One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

                        And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

                        /sigh

                        MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

                        what type of file would you expect if you're ripping but not converting from a Blu Ray?

                        MP4, but we are talking about DVDs here.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by

                          @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

                          @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                          @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

                          @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                          Interesting thread.

                          I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

                          I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

                          Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
                          One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

                          And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

                          /sigh

                          MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

                          what type of file would you expect if you're ripping but not converting from a Blu Ray?

                          MP4, but we are talking about DVDs here.

                          what kind of file would you expect for DVD?

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                            @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

                            @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                            @scottalanmiller said in Video Steaming (in home):

                            @dashrender said in Video Steaming (in home):

                            Interesting thread.

                            I've never fully understood the converted not converted thing.

                            I read last night about codec H.264, etc but I'm lost.

                            Isn't anything on a digital medium converted from the analog world we live in?
                            One thing I was reading was saying that using Handbrake to make a H.264 file would produce a 2 GB file while using MakeMKV you make a MKV file that's 40 GB (this is based upon ripping SW EPIII Blu Ray).

                            And now re-reading the article, I can't tell what codec the MKV is in.

                            /sigh

                            MKV and MP4 are nearly identical and don't matter at all. It's all what codec and what settings you convert to. Converting is the issue. If you concert, quality is lost.

                            what type of file would you expect if you're ripping but not converting from a Blu Ray?

                            MP4, but we are talking about DVDs here.

                            what kind of file would you expect for DVD?

                            VOB

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                            • wirestyle22W
                              wirestyle22
                              last edited by wirestyle22

                              Just a comment:

                              If you're running it from a ReadyNAS you likely have a very under-powered processor and should avoid transcoding period. If you're viewing this on a device like a Roku or Apple TV they have lists of natively supported formats I highly recommend checking out. My server is complete overkill and I still do that.

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                              • brandon220B
                                brandon220 @wirestyle22
                                last edited by

                                @wirestyle22 The data is on a ReadyNAS 2120 and the server is a separate VM.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @brandon220
                                  last edited by

                                  @brandon220 said in Video Steaming (in home):

                                  @wirestyle22 The data is on a ReadyNAS 2120 and the server is a separate VM.

                                  No need for another server if you aren't transcoding. You can get cool features that way, but sometimes we stream straight from the ReadyNAS via a file share. Not handy, but lets you test the files.

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                                  • Emad RE
                                    Emad R @brandon220
                                    last edited by Emad R

                                    @brandon220

                                    Try Handbrake instead of Magic DVD Ripper and ticking the option to make it web optimized and see if that helps.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      So - what was the outcome? Did it look better running locally on a PC?

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                                      • brandon220B
                                        brandon220
                                        last edited by

                                        Quality is the same. Going to try an MKV file as soon as MakeMKV site is back up.

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