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    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Why mediocre? What I absolutely need in my endpoint is a good POSIX shell, the best possible RDP client, support for third party/proprietary applications (like Lightroom), and a good set of browsers. The Mac OS has all of that, paired with absolutely perfect HW compatibility and great battery life.

    Or, you know, okay hardware. I'm not sure where people get the idea that Mac makes perfect hardware. I found it to be not as good hardware HP and Asus that I've used. I'm certainly not saying it was bad, but if people did say things like that it was so great, I would never guess that people even thought such things. What makes it perfect? I found it bulky, heavy, very slow, not a good value and easily damaged with the worst trackpad I've ever used.


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    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    I think Linux is a far superior OS for server and desktop, but mobility is another stuff and I don't think you can easily beat the macbook/mac os experience.

    This is what confuses me. What about the experience did you find to be positive? Again, I'm not saying it's awful, just saying that moving from Mac to not-Mac was a very positive move for me. In both hardware and software.



  • Now that's funny, everything I've ever read said the Mac had the best track pad on the planet.....

    Though never having used one I have no clue.


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    @Dashrender said in iMac Pro:

    Now that's funny, everything I've ever read said the Mac had the best track pad on the planet.....

    Yup, which is exactly how you sell things that aren't actually that great. You repeat it over and over. Just like how Ubuntu kept repeating that Unity was the easiest to use Linux desktop so that people actually believed it for no other reason than "they heard it so often" even though it turned out to all be the same source.

    It's APPLE that says it's easy.


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    @Dashrender said in iMac Pro:

    Though never having used one I have no clue.

    Bulky and take a lot of pressure. They seem fine at first use, but once you use it for any length of time, they really wear on you (and create carpal tunnel.)


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    Just the needing special case peripherals for every little thing, not having built in Ethernet even when there is loads of space... just little things that you can predict, they are a pain. And they are HEAVY. The Mac laptops are built to be used on desks by people confused about the purpose of a laptop half the time. They aren't for people looking to like put it on a lap or travel with it. The Pros, anyway.



  • The new MBP, while cool looking are annoying as shit.

    They only have USB-C so everything you own accessory wise, just throw it out and buy new stuff. . .

    Cause yea.... imagine owning one of these things and having to have 15 adapters for everything . . .



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Why mediocre? What I absolutely need in my endpoint is a good POSIX shell, the best possible RDP client, support for third party/proprietary applications (like Lightroom), and a good set of browsers. The Mac OS has all of that, paired with absolutely perfect HW compatibility and great battery life.

    Or, you know, okay hardware. I'm not sure where people get the idea that Mac makes perfect hardware. I found it to be not as good hardware HP and Asus that I've used. I'm certainly not saying it was bad, but if people did say things like that it was so great, I would never guess that people even thought such things. What makes it perfect? I found it bulky, heavy, very slow, not a good value and easily damaged with the worst trackpad I've ever used.

    Maybe you don't like their trackpad, but let me say it's a personal preference… me and 99.9% of users consider it a reference.
    I don't know how you treat your devices, but my 2011 macbook still has just a few scratches. My company buy a lot of those and we had no HW fails at all, when other laptop usually fall apart in 2-3 years.
    I had two Dell XPS, both died from GPU overheating using the best Nvidia drivers I was capable to run at that time… right before warranty expiration. Do I've to say that making Linux working good on the XPS 15 takes at least 10 hours per month and that almost any kernel upgrade broke something?
    Of course I never need to fight against macbook hardware in mac os x. This thing alone has paid me back a lot more than the 2-300 euros of acquisition price difference. That's what I call ROI.
    The battery on my last XPS with Linux last less than 2:30 hours. I'm using my mbp 2011 for writing this post, and two hours has consumed just 25% of charge.


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    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Of course I never need to fight against macbook hardware in mac os x. This thing alone has paid me back a lot more than the 2-300 euros of acquisition price difference.

    That's nowhere near the price difference here. Here I'm getting Macs for $5K that are competing against $1K machines. The difference in cost is staggering.


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    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Maybe you don't like their trackpad, but let me say it's a personal preference… me and 99.9% of users consider it a reference.

    I've heard lots of people say that, but never someone who had used one. Just people who had repeated it like @Dashrender mentioned a few posts up. They work, but not particularly well. So much unnecessary effort.



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Of course I never need to fight against macbook hardware in mac os x. This thing alone has paid me back a lot more than the 2-300 euros of acquisition price difference.

    That's nowhere near the price difference here. Here I'm getting Macs for $5K that are competing against $1K machines. The difference in cost is staggering.

    "Here", where? A baseline macbook 12 or 13 should be fine for any sysadmin stuff, and much more. iMac Pro of course makes no sense as I said before.


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    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Of course I never need to fight against macbook hardware in mac os x. This thing alone has paid me back a lot more than the 2-300 euros of acquisition price difference.

    That's nowhere near the price difference here. Here I'm getting Macs for $5K that are competing against $1K machines. The difference in cost is staggering.

    "Here", where? A baseline macbook 12 or 13 should be fine for any sysadmin stuff, and much more. iMac Pro of course makes no sense as I said before.

    Regular MacBook wasn't able to run our test environments, so we needed the Pros. And they weren't up to snuff at all compared to just about anything else.



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Maybe you don't like their trackpad, but let me say it's a personal preference… me and 99.9% of users consider it a reference.

    I've heard lots of people say that, but never someone who had used one. Just people who had repeated it like @Dashrender mentioned a few posts up. They work, but not particularly well. So much unnecessary effort.

    I use it from 2011 in many machines of my company, and my personal one. No carpal stuff whatsoever, I'm good :D.
    The Dell XPS one was too small and not comparable in ANY way.



  • Mac from the IT side is not something I like to use. I work on a Windows PC for all of that. Though the only issue I am currently having is a Screen Connect one that keeps things difficult, if not for that I would be fully on Mac.

    Now on the Social Medi/Marketing side of my world. Mac all the way. All the things I use work better on the Mac (yes I have tried to run every single one on the PC side as well), there are usually many less steps on the Mac side then the PC side for what I do. Again before someone crucifies me, I work in a VERY different world than all of you so the tools needed are not what you all use.

    For the record, Mint drove me nuts so I went back to a Windows PC way too many things that didn't work there that I needed (it was years ago and I think it would be better now that there is the full O365 ecosystem).


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    I've not used this latest generation of MacBooks. they look like a copy of the Asus, which is a step in the right direction.

    https://www.apple.com/macbook/specs/


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    @Minion-Queen said in iMac Pro:

    Now on the Social Medi/Marketing side of my world. Mac all the way. All the things I use work better on the Mac (yes I have tried to run every single one on the PC side as well), there are usually many less steps on the Mac side then the PC side for what I do. Again before someone crucifies me, I work in a VERY different world than all of you so the tools needed are not what you all use.

    Mac is the ultimate PC, it's the only pure PC. You mean Windows. But you've not compared to something like Korora.



  • At the new job they use a lot of Apple products, and while nice and shiny. The need to have a adapter for everything is the thing that boggles my mind to no end.

    I can get a shiny laptop in silver (WITH A DOCK) so that people don't have to dick around with cords all day long.

    But whatever, its what the business wants to spend for.



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    Of course I never need to fight against macbook hardware in mac os x. This thing alone has paid me back a lot more than the 2-300 euros of acquisition price difference.

    That's nowhere near the price difference here. Here I'm getting Macs for $5K that are competing against $1K machines. The difference in cost is staggering.

    "Here", where? A baseline macbook 12 or 13 should be fine for any sysadmin stuff, and much more. iMac Pro of course makes no sense as I said before.

    Regular MacBook wasn't able to run our test environments, so we needed the Pros. And they weren't up to snuff at all compared to just about anything else.

    Mmh, seems like a workflow issue… I don't run anything heavy on my laptop, I just use a few VMs when I need it but anything serious go to the servers (both on-permise and cloud).
    The endpoint has to be stateful, my laptop can be replace at any moment without much disruption because everything run elsewhere.


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    Looks like the MacBook Pro and Air are gone now? there is only one model on their website.



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Looks like the MacBook Pro and Air are gone now? there is only one model on their website.

    They have the MBP still



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Looks like the MacBook Pro and Air are gone now? there is only one model on their website.

    About halfway down the page.

    https://www.apple.com/mac/


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    When I had the job that had the Macs, I literally asked for a Chromebook as it would have made me much more efficient. And now that I have one, my Asus C201 little Chromebook is definitely far more polished and usable than the Mac had been two years ago. Sturdier, more polished, better battery life... totally different machines of course. But one is much more well designed for its purpose, the other was just... built to be marketed.



  • For anyone using an older MBP, like @JaredBusch , what is your average battery life like? Mine sucks, and have to keep it plugged in most of the time. I'm considering getting a new battery for it.


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    @DustinB3403 said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Looks like the MacBook Pro and Air are gone now? there is only one model on their website.

    They have the MBP still

    Not on their website, I went to the list.


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    @fuznutz04 said in iMac Pro:

    For anyone using an older MBP, like @JaredBusch , what is your average battery life like? Mine sucks, and have to keep it plugged in most of the time. I'm considering getting a new battery for it.

    I feel like it was around four hours for me. I'm not sure though. It was decent considering what all it was running.



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @DustinB3403 said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Looks like the MacBook Pro and Air are gone now? there is only one model on their website.

    They have the MBP still

    Not on their website, I went to the list.

    About halfway down the page.

    https://www.apple.com/mac/



  • @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Asus C201

    I would trade it any day for an iPad pro with keyboard.



  • @fuznutz04 said in iMac Pro:

    For anyone using an older MBP, like @JaredBusch , what is your average battery life like? Mine sucks, and have to keep it plugged in most of the time. I'm considering getting a new battery for it.

    I get about 4-6 hours that is with heavy usage.


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    @Francesco-Provino said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Asus C201

    I would trade it any day for an iPad pro with keyboard.

    Ha, only because you've not used one. SO much better.


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    @DustinB3403 said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    @DustinB3403 said in iMac Pro:

    @scottalanmiller said in iMac Pro:

    Looks like the MacBook Pro and Air are gone now? there is only one model on their website.

    They have the MBP still

    Not on their website, I went to the list.

    About halfway down the page.

    https://www.apple.com/mac/

    Ah, their Google links go to a page that doesn't list it at all. Even when I went to the specs list, it wasn't there.